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01-07-17, 03:44 PM | #1 | |
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Why Did America Stop Building the Best (and Most Dangerous Sub)
Why Did America Stop Building the Best (and Most Dangerous Sub)
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01-07-17, 03:58 PM | #2 |
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I guess it was a toss up between that and the Virginia Class,, If you were to choose which one.????
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01-07-17, 04:29 PM | #3 |
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What do we need these new subs for that the existing subs can't do? These are pretty expensive to build and operate.
What could that money be used for instead, and would that have a better ROI?
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01-07-17, 04:40 PM | #4 |
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It's always the money.
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01-07-17, 06:10 PM | #5 |
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01-07-17, 10:03 PM | #6 |
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Maybe advances in listening stations, satellite/elint technology has made it nearly impossible for an underwater adversary to get around unnoticed these days. maybe subs are going the way of the battleship or maybe there just isnt enough bad guys to chase.
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01-08-17, 01:36 AM | #7 |
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Sea Wolfs are like F22As - excelent in their narrow role but too specialised in it to do other tasks well.
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01-08-17, 07:59 AM | #8 |
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01-08-17, 08:29 AM | #9 |
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Why spend money on a sub which must give away its location to deliver a harpoon. When money spent on hyper sonic missle technology could deliver a package anywhere in the world within an hour of placing your order.
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01-08-17, 08:49 AM | #10 | |
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From what I've read elsewhere, in the end the Virginia class ended up costing about the same as the Seawolf subs were coming in at.
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Would the US Navy be adequate with no submarines? In peacetime, sure. As long as we are sure another war against a formidable power will not occur, we are ok. Otherwise....
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01-08-17, 08:59 AM | #11 |
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Even in peacetime you want subs for stuff like special forces delivery and intel gathering, not to mention sanitising your SSBN patrol areas.
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01-08-17, 09:21 AM | #12 |
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Yes, I agree subs are still the best ICBM platform.
Yeah, maybe that's it. Submarines are obsolete, we just don't realize it yet. I certainly agree that you could get a lot more bang for $2 billion using drones and missiles.
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01-08-17, 12:05 PM | #13 | |
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01-08-17, 12:48 PM | #14 | |
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In the end, there will be autonomous weapon and sensor platforms. Whether that will be a survivable scenario for mankind, remains to be seen. I have growing doubts, and many future-researching scientists as well. AI could very well one day replace mankind. I sometimes think that the infrastructure of the internet as well as its conditioning influence on the behaviour of man are signs that a globe-embracing AI already is there, and is self-emerging now, like a dissipative structure in chaos theory. Which means: we do not have its attracotrs it forms itself by, its finals tatus under control. And there is where the big unknown, the big potential danger lies. What if this AI gains self awareness, self-maintainability - and decides mankind to be not needed, being imperfect, being even a risk?
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01-08-17, 12:58 PM | #15 |
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If you do not even need a court order to let a drone kill someone (and his/her innocent companions as collateral damage), why bother with humans deciding about it at all anymore? Only the first step though. If the AI really becomes intelligent, the first logical step would be to get rid of their 'creators'.
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