Hillary Clinton cut both ways

Von Tonner · 04-12-15, 12:14 PM

Ok, Hillary is going to run. Let me post my flag to the mast straight up. I do not like her, I do not trust her. In fact, in my part of the world it is now a Sunday with Monday following. If Hillary told me that I would first check my calendar.

But I am open to persuasion on her. Talk to me

Torplexed · 04-12-15, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

But I am open to persuasion on her. Talk to me

Well, she hacks off the misogynists and she is a surefire lightning rod for the rightwing ideologues. Both fun accomplishments in my opinion.

I guess in my simple political view, I see her mostly as Bill Clinton's potential third term. He can't help but be lurking, back-slapping and fixing things in the background. I just hope they keep the White House intern staff ugly and male.

August · 04-12-15, 12:31 PM

I'm in a quandary. I dislike Clinton for the crooked southern lawyer that she is but I also don't want to see one party running both congress and the administration at the same time.

nikimcbee · 04-12-15, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I'm in a quandary. I dislike Clinton for the crooked southern lawyer that she is but I also don't want to see one party running both congress and the administration at the same time.

Good point. Anybody but HRC though. But in 2008 we had the exact same situation and look what happened.

I hate politicians on both sides. I would rather see a former governor on the resume run than a senator.

Aktungbby · 04-12-15, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

Well, she hacks off the misogynists and she is a surefire lightning rod for the rightwing ideologues. Both fun accomplishments in my opinion.

I guess in my simple political view, I see her mostly as Bill Clinton's potential third term. He can't help but be lurking, back-slapping and fixing things in the background. I just hope they keep the White House intern staff ugly and male.

Any time I can beat our

resident cartoonist to the punch

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Oberon · 04-12-15, 12:50 PM

Eh, I'm not a big fan of her, whilst it would be nice to have the first female US president directly after the first US president of colour, she doesn't come across as the right boots for the job. But...what alternatives are there, really?
2016 is looking similar to the 2015 UK elections in that neither side are fielding a particularly appealing candidate.

EDIT: Maybe Webb...he seems a plausible choice, but I doubt he'd be able to beat the Clinton juggernaut...perhaps VP?

EDIT EDIT: Just think about it though, if Clinton gets the Dem election and Jeb the GOP, then it's going to be 1992 all over again...just with less Perot...

Torplexed · 04-12-15, 12:58 PM

If I were to lay odds, I'd say we are looking at a Bush vs. Clinton race in 2016. Shades of 1992, except for the oddball Ross Perot Reform Party factor. Maybe somebody can talk Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin into a Tea Party side show run, so the race has some entertainment value.

And the last names of both potential candidates are a double-edged sword, although probably more so for Bush than Clinton.

Von Tonner · 04-12-15, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

I just hope they keep the White House intern staff ugly and male.

Aktungbby · 04-12-15, 01:00 PM

As for Hillary's 'kitchen cabinet'

nikimcbee · 04-12-15, 01:05 PM

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And the last names of both potential candidates are a double-edged sword

This what I'm hoping for and both of them get voted off the island in the primary process.

Torplexed · 04-12-15, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

EDIT: Maybe Webb...he seems a plausible choice, but I doubt he'd be able to beat the Clinton juggernaut...perhaps VP?

I'm sure Jim Webb would appeal to the Dovish Democrats, the socially conservative, economically populist Democrats, and the Oh-dear-God-anybody-but-Hillary Democrats. But can he win with those numbers? He's only launched an exploratory committee, but I'm sure he is finding the answer is no.

Von Tonner · 04-12-15, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Eh, I'm not a big fan of her, whilst it would be nice to have the first female US president directly after the first US president of colour

And believe you me Oberon, we are going to hear that ad nauseam along with the glass ceiling.

If I ask myself why I do not like her or why I distrust her having never met her I must justify that to myself.

One, she is on record of having blatantly lied.
Two, it has been shown she will forsake any principal she might have for her own goals regardless.

One can say so what. Is not that true of any politician. Maybe I yearn for a Churchill, a Roosevelt, a Smuts - not that they were without clay feet, but by god they stood tall among us and led us with conviction outside of their own shrouded interests.

Wolferz · 04-12-15, 01:20 PM

The folks who are really running the show will put whichever puppet they choose in the hot seat.

Aktungbby · 04-12-15, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

If I ask myself why I do not like her or why I distrust her having never met her I must justify that to myself.

One, she is on record of having blatantly lied.
Two, it has been shown she will forsake any principal she might have for her own goals regardless.

One can say so what. Is not that true of any politician..

CaptainHaplo · 04-12-15, 01:40 PM

Lincoln Chaffee is considering a primary challenge to Hillary. I suspect her candidacy will implode, making way for Biden and Elizabeth Warren (who is Hillary Clinton redux, just without the history of scandal).

Biden is weighing his chances. If Warren stays out (which she will until Hillary implodes) then Biden will jump in. I don't think Chaffee has the bona fides to pull enough far left support.

Now - the OP wants to talk about Hillary, so lets do so. Now I am known as being highly conservative, but I don't want to spend time going over scandal after scandal. There is enough of that already out there.

So instead, lets talk about what a Hillary administration will support and oppose.

She is very pro-choice, including support for so called "partial birth abortions". She supports spending federal dollars on providing contraceptives to the public.

She opposes cutting federal spending, paying down the debt through increasing efficiencies in federal programs and voted for stimulus.

Voted against a constitutional ban on flag burning and a 1 man/1 woman definition of marriage. Voted for adding sexual orientation as a cause for a hate crime

Voted for a relaxing of requirements needed to allow for cell phone wiretaps.

Supports 3 strikes your out program

Supports Medical pot federally, has not stated recent federal policy position lately on recreational use. Has stated in the past it should be a state issue.

Supports Common Core. Is against school choice.

Is against ANWR, exploration tax benefits, national oil reserves. Is for energy independence using non-petroleum, environmental friendly energy only. Would support ratification of Kyoto protocols.

There are a lot more - these are all sourced from:
http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

04-12-15, 12:14 PM	#1
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Hillary Clinton cut both ways Ok, Hillary is going to run. Let me post my flag to the mast straight up. I do not like her, I do not trust her. In fact, in my part of the world it is now a Sunday with Monday following. If Hillary told me that I would first check my calendar. But I am open to persuasion on her. Talk to me __________________ "Knowledge is like a lion:it cannot be gently embraced" - South African proverb

04-12-15, 12:31 PM	#3
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm in a quandary. I dislike Clinton for the crooked southern lawyer that she is but I also don't want to see one party running both congress and the administration at the same time. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

04-12-15, 12:50 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Eh, I'm not a big fan of her, whilst it would be nice to have the first female US president directly after the first US president of colour, she doesn't come across as the right boots for the job. But...what alternatives are there, really? 2016 is looking similar to the 2015 UK elections in that neither side are fielding a particularly appealing candidate. EDIT: Maybe Webb...he seems a plausible choice, but I doubt he'd be able to beat the Clinton juggernaut...perhaps VP? EDIT EDIT: Just think about it though, if Clinton gets the Dem election and Jeb the GOP, then it's going to be 1992 all over again...just with less Perot... Last edited by Oberon; 04-12-15 at 12:58 PM.

04-12-15, 12:58 PM	#7
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	If I were to lay odds, I'd say we are looking at a Bush vs. Clinton race in 2016. Shades of 1992, except for the oddball Ross Perot Reform Party factor. Maybe somebody can talk Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin into a Tea Party side show run, so the race has some entertainment value. And the last names of both potential candidates are a double-edged sword, although probably more so for Bush than Clinton. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

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Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 29,999 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	As for Hillary's 'kitchen cabinet' __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

04-12-15, 01:20 PM	#13
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Why does it matter? The folks who are really running the show will put whichever puppet they choose in the hot seat. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

04-12-15, 01:40 PM	#15
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Lincoln Chaffee is considering a primary challenge to Hillary. I suspect her candidacy will implode, making way for Biden and Elizabeth Warren (who is Hillary Clinton redux, just without the history of scandal). Biden is weighing his chances. If Warren stays out (which she will until Hillary implodes) then Biden will jump in. I don't think Chaffee has the bona fides to pull enough far left support. Now - the OP wants to talk about Hillary, so lets do so. Now I am known as being highly conservative, but I don't want to spend time going over scandal after scandal. There is enough of that already out there. So instead, lets talk about what a Hillary administration will support and oppose. She is very pro-choice, including support for so called "partial birth abortions". She supports spending federal dollars on providing contraceptives to the public. She opposes cutting federal spending, paying down the debt through increasing efficiencies in federal programs and voted for stimulus. Voted against a constitutional ban on flag burning and a 1 man/1 woman definition of marriage. Voted for adding sexual orientation as a cause for a hate crime Voted for a relaxing of requirements needed to allow for cell phone wiretaps. Supports 3 strikes your out program Supports Medical pot federally, has not stated recent federal policy position lately on recreational use. Has stated in the past it should be a state issue. Supports Common Core. Is against school choice. Is against ANWR, exploration tax benefits, national oil reserves. Is for energy independence using non-petroleum, environmental friendly energy only. Would support ratification of Kyoto protocols. There are a lot more - these are all sourced from: http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo