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Old 01-19-15, 07:56 AM   #1
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Jane Fonda: ‘Hanoi Jane’ Moment Was A ‘Huge Mistake’

Well, interesting, after 50 years or so,
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Actress Jane Fonda issued an apology late Friday for her infamous visit to North Vietnam in 1972, a moment that earned her the dubious nickname “Hanoi Jane.”

Fonda called it a “huge mistake” during a speech given at an arts center in Frederick, Maryland, the Associated Press reports. She made her comments in response to protests against her appearance.

“But those people out there… I’m a lightning rod,” Fonda told the audience, according to The Frederick News-Post. “This famous person goes and does something that looks like I’m against the troops, which wasn’t true, but it looked that way, and I’m a convenient target. So I understand.”

However, Fonda still considered her trip to the communist state at war with the U.S. a “great experience.” While on the trip, she took publicity shots manning an anti-aircraft gun used to shoot down American planes and publicly criticized the war effort against North Vietnam.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/18/fo...-huge-mistake/

I never understood how she got away with that, it really seemed like a black and white case of aiding the enemy...
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Old 01-19-15, 08:52 AM   #2
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Taken her a long time to come to her senses...an ulterior motive perhaps
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Old 01-19-15, 08:56 AM   #3
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I never understood how she got away with that, it really seemed like a black and white case of aiding the enemy...
Clear cut, and dry case. she should still be in prison for it if you ask me.

I'm sure it made her Father, Henry Fonda, a Navy Veteran, sick to his stomach to see his daughter do such a thing
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Old 01-19-15, 11:15 AM   #4
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Huge mistake....zero apology. She still has no idea what she did. That simple.

What a tool.
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I never understood how she got away with that, ...


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Old 01-19-15, 11:49 AM   #6
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Taken her a long time to come to her senses...an ulterior motive perhaps
Probably got a book coming out
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Old 01-19-15, 12:25 PM   #7
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This is the first time I have heard her say she made a mistake.

Probably a spur of the moment true confession blurted out of her mouth due to the protest by veterans outside the meeting place.

It was reported several years ago that Jane Fonda had been converted to Christianity by her chauffer while she was still married to the founder of CNN, who by the way is still mad at God for his sister dying of lupus years ago.

So if she has confessed it and changed her mind we should forgive also and move on.

However this last line in Neal's link reads like this:

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Fonda focused most of her talk on gender politics and encouraged the crowd to not raise boys to become “emotionally illiterate” by emphasizing masculinity.
Now she wants us to raise our boys to be gay boys ... spells war!
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Old 01-19-15, 12:31 PM   #8
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I have to ask, because it could be either way: Are you serious about that last point? Because that's a non-sequitur, or you were just being sarcastic.
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Old 01-19-15, 12:57 PM   #9
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I thought she was being serious so I was being serious about raising my boy anyway I want to, but not a sissy.

Did I read it wrong?
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Don't think Jane Fonda has heard of The Sacred Band of Thebes, who were all male lovers within the same unit, and were well known for their ferocity in battle
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I think she meant raising children to hold everything inside them which ferments over the years and finally blows open with alcohol abuse and/or violence.
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Old 01-19-15, 01:22 PM   #12
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I did not quite understand then, what the US were doing or wanting in Vietnam. But at least there was no public information possible, like nowadays. But to defend this today ?

"If he's dead he was a viet cong."

" .. before i came to Saigon, i had heard and read, that Napalm melts flesh, and i thought this was bs, because when i shove a roast into the oven the fat melts, but the flesh stays.
I went over and saw children burnt by napalm, and it was just true. The chemical reaction melts the flesh and it flows down their face on the chest, and there it stays and keeps growing.
those children could not move their head [...] and when inflammation set in, they cut off their hands, or the feet. The only thing they could not cut off, was their head ..."

Not to speak of the deformation still taking place with newly born, due to genetically active agent orange and other nice stuff.

If the military had had their way, we would never have heard of My Lai, according to them this massacre was a "military success".
The people who researched this and made it public, were simple soldiers, photographers and an investigative journalist. The soldier who spoke first of it was called a traitor, a dirty swine, a Hanoi agent [sic!], a communist, a jew, and a disgrace for society, by most of the US media, and the military. Are we there again, or still?

If Mrs Fonda regrets what she thought or said against the Vietnam war at the time (and b.t.w. the link does not look like it), she'd be probably suffering from dementia.
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Old 01-19-15, 01:45 PM   #13
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I dont think the issue was protesting the war, that was very widespread in '72, you often had anti-war rallies with hundred of thousands participating.

The issue was visiting North Vietnam in time of war, that was pretty much over the top, not to mention this picture:

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I see, i did not know that. I just thought she protested against the whole war, not just for the other side.

Will have to get some more information on that. Sorry
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I did not quite understand then, what the US were doing or wanting in Vietnam. But at least there was no public information possible, like nowadays. But to defend this today ?.
USA was fighting communism and communist insurgency as global policy.
It made sense at that time.
Problem was that this war dragged on for too long and due to geopolitical circumstances decisive victory turned out to be impossible.
America rightly left Vietnam due to pressure at home and generally horrifying nature of the war that could not be won.
Eventually it turned out the communism did not took over the world ( portably it never could ) while the conflicts continued elsewhere.

At the end what happened after N. Vietnamese took over?
Millions executed , disappeared.

While criticizing American policy during cold war , interesting question is what would happen if USA had been passive during whole cold war.
How world would look today , if lives would had been saved or worth living.
Shortly would world be better place.?
...not that im against criticism . I don't like the trendy ones.
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