Royal disaster for German intelligence agency

Skybird · 01-14-15, 07:29 AM

A double-agent who was arrested in summer last year, is reported by BILD-Zeitung to have sold over 200 critical documents to American intelligence services and, much worse, has stolen data on the identities of over half of Germany's covered agents in global operation. Of the 6500 agents, over 3500 have their identity lifted by the compromsied data-set.

The Germans practically can begin at the starting line again to build a new network.

The agents compromised worked for the diplomatic service, in German embassies, and in operation region of the Bundeswehr.

Ideals played no role for the rat doing this, it seems. He seems to have done it for money. My advise would have been to not let it become known that he was arrested, but to sink his body in a deep river.

Bilge_Rat · 01-14-15, 10:39 AM

As you say, that story of the german spying for the U.S. has been public since last summer. I was surprised it did not cause more of a stink, but as I understand it, Merkel has been downplaying the story to not compromise the relationship between Germany and the U.S.?

Skybird · 01-14-15, 10:46 AM

They probably also needed time to find out the real scope of the mess. It certainly is one of the worst intel disaster in Germany ever. Maybe even the worst. Having this coming not from Russian or Chinese side, but most likely from American side, tells something on the real state of things.

As former US ambassador to Germany Jack Kornblum said: States have no friends. States have interests.

Rockstar · 01-14-15, 04:15 PM

Poor spooks, never heard from or seen when sucessful. Ever the objects of blame in cases of failure.

Jeff-Groves · 01-14-15, 04:23 PM

Pff. You spy on us, we spy on you.
Hell. My neighbors spy on me and I watch those bastums!
What's the issue here?
Someone got caught?
Big whoop.

Skybird · 01-14-15, 04:45 PM

Compare number and budgets of German and American intel services, and then again shrug the shoulders and say "we spy on you, you spy on us." That reminds of another comment by which Americ ahas mad eitself many friends in Europe: "The (paper) dollar is our currency but your problem."

And I leave out the American advantages regarding the technological nature and location of the internet communication network.

If all that would add to a shared knowledge pool about terrorism and hosltiefoeiogn powers, then I would nto c0mplaiun. But the most is about business espionage and economic theft. And here the damage for Germany goes into the high billions. And it is no longer the Russians or Chinese who are our worst enemies. Its America and its accomplice in crime, the UK.

01-14-15, 07:29 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Royal disaster for German intelligence agency A double-agent who was arrested in summer last year, is reported by BILD-Zeitung to have sold over 200 critical documents to American intelligence services and, much worse, has stolen data on the identities of over half of Germany's covered agents in global operation. Of the 6500 agents, over 3500 have their identity lifted by the compromsied data-set. The Germans practically can begin at the starting line again to build a new network. The agents compromised worked for the diplomatic service, in German embassies, and in operation region of the Bundeswehr. Ideals played no role for the rat doing this, it seems. He seems to have done it for money. My advise would have been to not let it become known that he was arrested, but to sink his body in a deep river. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-14-15, 10:39 AM	#2
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	As you say, that story of the german spying for the U.S. has been public since last summer. I was surprised it did not cause more of a stink, but as I understand it, Merkel has been downplaying the story to not compromise the relationship between Germany and the U.S.? __________________

01-14-15, 10:46 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	They probably also needed time to find out the real scope of the mess. It certainly is one of the worst intel disaster in Germany ever. Maybe even *the* worst. Having this coming not from Russian or Chinese side, but most likely from American side, tells something on the real state of things. As former US ambassador to Germany Jack Kornblum said: States have no friends. States have interests. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-14-15, 04:45 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Compare number and budgets of German and American intel services, and then again shrug the shoulders and say "we spy on you, you spy on us." That reminds of another comment by which Americ ahas mad eitself many friends in Europe: "The (paper) dollar is our currency but your problem." And I leave out the American advantages regarding the technological nature and location of the internet communication network. If all that would add to a shared knowledge pool about terrorism and hosltiefoeiogn powers, then I would nto c0mplaiun. But the most is about business espionage and economic theft. And here the damage for Germany goes into the high billions. And it is no longer the Russians or Chinese who are our worst enemies. Its America and its accomplice in crime, the UK. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-14-15, 04:15 PM	#4
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Poor spooks, never heard from or seen when sucessful. Ever the objects of blame in cases of failure.

01-14-15, 04:23 PM	#5
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Pff. You spy on us, we spy on you. Hell. My neighbors spy on me and I watch those bastums! What's the issue here? Someone got caught? Big whoop.