Israeli Eavesdroppers Protest Over Treatment Of Palestinians

TarJak · 09-12-14, 11:28 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-1...inians/5741492
I'm a little surprised at the protest, but certainly won't be surprised to see these 40 dropped from the service and the surveillance to continue.

MH · 09-13-14, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-1...inians/5741492
I'm a little surprised at the protest, but certainly won't be surprised to see these 40 dropped from the service and the surveillance to continue.

Why is that that you are surprised...because you have built yourself some cliché simplistic world view?

It happens ... not first and probably not last time.
Many people ask their selves about legitimacy or morality of certain task in the army , in particular when getting more mature doing the reserve service.
I personally understand those guys yet have an issue with making this public letter.
All it will do is aid the wrong people.

If there was a simple solution to leave the territories and Palestinians for themselves I would vote for this...actually I do. I believe the occupation is taking too great toll on Israelis.
Yet it is not so simple and can't be done till certain condition are met.

Jimbuna · 09-13-14, 05:07 AM

I'd have thought most countries have these sort of units and similar methods.

MH · 09-13-14, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'd have thought most countries have these sort of units and similar methods.

Most likely...

Skybird · 09-13-14, 05:23 AM

They offer no realistic alternative to the current going in this ongoing conflict.

Many people who have to play a role - no matter which on - in an ongoing (military or other) conflict) may find themselves in a moral dilemma: that they need to do things that they consider as critical by their moral standards, yet fate has out them into this situation where they cannot avoid to do like that without allowing even greater moral dilemma forming up if they refuse to comply. This is a very old buddy of war. Its war's shadow.

If Israel would not do like it does, there still would be victims. Just that the ethnic background of a huge part of these victims would shift from "Arab" to "Israeli".

I am quite certain that these people now are not the first finding themselves staring into this moral abyss. Two or three years ago there was a movie about an Israeli tank crew locked into their tinbox in the midsts of the conflict, observing it through their sights and scopes only, distanced but still so very close, in the midst of it while still being isolated from it. I think there are many like these tankers.

What it comes down to by the end of the day, is this: either the Israelis control the Arabs, or the Arabs will wipe Israel off the map. As far as I'm concerned, this is all I need to know to form a decision. Any moral dilemma I see as subordinate in scale and size to this major one, at least as long as the idea of Israeli self-destruction does not become popular in contemporary Israeli Zeitgeist.

TarJak · 09-13-14, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MH

Why is that that you are surprised...because you have built yourself some cliché simplistic world view?

It happens ... not first and probably not last time.
Many people ask their selves about legitimacy or morality of certain task in the army , in particular when getting more mature doing the reserve service.
I personally understand those guys yet have an issue with making this public letter.
All it will do is aid the wrong people.

If there was a simple solution to leave the territories and Palestinians for themselves I would vote for this...actually I do. I believe the occupation is taking too great toll on Israelis.
Yet it is not so simple and can't be done till certain condition are met.

My surprise is the public letter, much the same as you. Not surprised that there's people with a conscience doing the job.

There are no simple answers in the ME and I doubt there ever will be.

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09-13-14, 05:23 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	They offer no realistic alternative to the current going in this ongoing conflict. Many people who have to play a role - no matter which on - in an ongoing (military or other) conflict) may find themselves in a moral dilemma: that they need to do things that they consider as critical by their moral standards, yet fate has out them into this situation where they cannot avoid to do like that without allowing even greater moral dilemma forming up if they refuse to comply. This is a very old buddy of war. Its war's shadow. If Israel would not do like it does, there still would be victims. Just that the ethnic background of a huge part of these victims would shift from "Arab" to "Israeli". I am quite certain that these people now are not the first finding themselves staring into this moral abyss. Two or three years ago there was a movie about an Israeli tank crew locked into their tinbox in the midsts of the conflict, observing it through their sights and scopes only, distanced but still so very close, in the midst of it while still being isolated from it. I think there are many like these tankers. What it comes down to by the end of the day, is this: either the Israelis control the Arabs, or the Arabs will wipe Israel off the map. As far as I'm concerned, this is all I need to know to form a decision. Any moral dilemma I see as subordinate in scale and size to this major one, at least as long as the idea of Israeli self-destruction does not become popular in contemporary Israeli Zeitgeist. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.