Russians chase of US sub.

nikimcbee · 08-10-14, 01:23 AM

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140809/191...ry-Waters.html

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"On August 7, 2014, the patrol forces of the Northern Fleet detected a foreign submarine, supposedly a US Navy Virginia-class one, in the Barents Sea. A seaborne anti-submarine group, as well as an anti-submarine airplane Il-38, was sent to the region to search and track it down," the source said.

Are they getting better or are we getting worse?

Betonov · 08-10-14, 01:29 AM

I'm surprised the Russians didn't tried to ram her

Nexus7 · 08-10-14, 02:02 AM

supposedly a Virginia class. From the superficial info i gathered there are about 7 in service and other 30 are planned, and it has to be the successor of the 688i. It is cheaper than the Seawolf class, I wonder if a SW would have been detected? would be interesting to know more, like what area and how it's been detected...

Stealhead · 08-10-14, 02:44 AM

I know I know!! Someone like Aldrich Ames probably sold them information.

Or the story is a bogus lie.Of course anything can be found just as there is no true "Stealth" aircraft there surely is no 100% undetectable submarine. How well can you trust a Russian media outlet? Remember that the Russian government controls what they say.

Skybird · 08-10-14, 06:03 AM

That Russians hunt and scare away American/British boats and Americans scaring away Russian boats is somethign i would expect to happen "every day", a routine. And not just now, but since always. Its just that usually both sides do not put it up in the media.

Oberon · 08-10-14, 06:20 AM

I'd wager that story is in the media for the benefit of the Russian people, to hammer home the fact that Russia is 'under siege' from the west, etc, etc.

Otherwise it's just business as normal, after all, how many times have we read in our media outlets that a Russian aircraft has been escorted by NATO jets or a Russian submarine was detected x miles off the coast, etc.

Just another day in the decades old game of Cowboys and Cossacks.

Jimbuna · 08-10-14, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Are they getting better or are we getting worse?

I'd wager it is the Russians getting better.

Skybird · 08-10-14, 08:22 AM

Russian bombers are currently penetrating the North American air defence zone frequently, btw. A systematic testing of the US defence system and reaction schemes/times.

daft · 08-10-14, 09:19 AM

About a week ago a US RC-135 entered Swedish airspace after having forced away from it's eavesdropping station off Kaliningrad.

Armistead · 08-10-14, 09:29 AM

Was Sarah Palin right afterall

Sailor Steve · 08-10-14, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Are they getting better or are we getting worse?

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'd wager it is the Russians getting better.

Or not. The headline talks about a US sub, but the story only says "supposedly".

They "forced the submarine out of Russian waters after a 27-minute contact." Or they lost contact and the sub is still there. Or it wasn't American. Or it was a whale. The known facts are they made contact with something, investigated it, and lost contact. Everything else is speculation, this time even on their part.

Oberon · 08-10-14, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Russian bombers are currently penetrating the North American air defence zone frequently, btw. A systematic testing of the US defence system and reaction schemes/times.

Which has been going on, with just a brief pause, for about fifty years...

BTW, the air defence zone of the US, in this case Alaska, sometimes extends into international waters, the Russians haven't actually penetrated into US national airspace.

http://www.adn.com/article/20140807/...-what-it-seems

magicstix · 08-10-14, 10:37 AM

I'm skeptical. The Russians claim to have detected multiple Virginia class subs... They aren't exactly easy to find.

Stealhead · 08-10-14, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Which has been going on, with just a brief pause, for about fifty years...

BTW, the air defence zone of the US, in this case Alaska, sometimes extends into international waters, the Russians haven't actually penetrated into US national airspace.

http://www.adn.com/article/20140807/...-what-it-seems

Yeah all part of the game really.

Platapus · 08-10-14, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I'd wager that story is in the media for the benefit of the Russian people, to hammer home the fact that Russia is 'under siege' from the west, etc, etc.

Otherwise it's just business as normal, after all, how many times have we read in our media outlets that a Russian aircraft has been escorted by NATO jets or a Russian submarine was detected x miles off the coast, etc.

Just another day in the decades old game of Cowboys and Cossacks.

I am shocked..Shocked, I say, that you would even intimate that a government would make-up/embellish such a story for political purposes. Especially, when there is no way any of the citizens could verify the story.

No government in the world would do such a thing. That would be wrong.

08-10-14, 02:02 AM	#3
Nexus7 Commander Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 469 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	supposedly a Virginia class. From the superficial info i gathered there are about 7 in service and other 30 are planned, and it has to be the successor of the 688i. It is cheaper than the Seawolf class, I wonder if a SW would have been detected? would be interesting to know more, like what area and how it's been detected... __________________ If you are going through hell... keep going (Winston Churchill)

08-10-14, 06:03 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	That Russians hunt and scare away American/British boats and Americans scaring away Russian boats is somethign i would expect to happen "every day", a routine. And not just now, but since always. Its just that usually both sides do not put it up in the media. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-10-14, 08:22 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Russian bombers are currently penetrating the North American air defence zone frequently, btw. A systematic testing of the US defence system and reaction schemes/times. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-10-14, 09:19 AM	#9
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	About a week ago a US RC-135 entered Swedish airspace after having forced away from it's eavesdropping station off Kaliningrad. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

08-10-14, 09:29 AM	#10
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Was Sarah Palin right afterall __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I'm surprised the Russians didn't tried to ram her

08-10-14, 02:44 AM	#4
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I know I know!! Someone like Aldrich Ames probably sold them information. Or the story is a bogus lie.Of course anything can be found just as there is no true "Stealth" aircraft there surely is no 100% undetectable submarine. How well can you trust a Russian media outlet? Remember that the Russian government controls what they say.

08-10-14, 06:20 AM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I'd wager that story is in the media for the benefit of the Russian people, to hammer home the fact that Russia is 'under siege' from the west, etc, etc. Otherwise it's just business as normal, after all, how many times have we read in our media outlets that a Russian aircraft has been escorted by NATO jets or a Russian submarine was detected x miles off the coast, etc. Just another day in the decades old game of Cowboys and Cossacks.

08-10-14, 10:37 AM	#13
magicstix Captain Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Nuclear submarine under the North Pole Posts: 481 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I'm skeptical. The Russians claim to have detected multiple Virginia class subs... They aren't exactly easy to find.