Renown in GWX

VONHARRIS · 01-21-11, 12:45 AM

Ok , I have a question for you.
Can anyboby tell me the renown points credited for sinking ships in GWX?
For example , how many points will I receive if I sink the HMS Hood?

I just thought of that : Is there any mod , or can one be made to give points for damaging ships? It is a pity to leave a Revenge class behind dead in the water because you don't have any torps left. At least you should be rewarded for putting her out of service fo some time.

Thank you all.

Sailor Steve · 01-21-11, 01:39 AM

Open up Data/Sea/NBC_Hood/ and then the NBC_Hood.cfg file. There you will see 'RenownAwarded=1800'.

You can of course do this for any ship in the Sea folder, which is any ship in the game.

VONHARRIS · 01-21-11, 05:18 AM

Thank you Sailor Steve.
I have never thought to look there.
I will make a list of ships and their renown.

Hottentot · 01-21-11, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by VONHARRIS

It is a pity to leave a Revenge class behind dead in the water because you don't have any torps left. At least you should be rewarded for putting her out of service fo some time.

Offtopic, but this is something that has confused me in some other sims as well. Like in Sturmovik I can shoot an enemy aircraft literally to pieces, but as long as it makes a crash landing, even if it's in enemy territory, I'm not credited a kill. Or, even better, it's already flaming and then some other idiot puts one bullet in it, it crashes into the trees and that helpful shooter gets the credit.

I wish sims would adapt some sort of system of crediting the damage done. I'm no developer, but it's beyond me how they can create a complex flight models, stunning interiors, gazillions of different things that together decide, for example, if you are detected or not. And then the only difference they can make with the enemy is if it's dead or alive. Mind boggling.

Sailor Steve · 01-21-11, 12:37 PM

It's not a matter of whether they "can" do it, it's just that they didn't think of it. They don't always know when their players are going to be picky and when we aren't.

Hottentot · 01-21-11, 12:56 PM

I wasn't bashing the developers, even less any specific developers. What confuses me is that this happens in most sims. Actually I can't think any sim from the top of my head that doesn't have a system like this. Dangerous Waters might have implemented credit for damage, but I'm not sure since it has been a while since I played it.

And as you said, the developers probably could do it, I don't doubt that either. So I just find it confusing that no sim hasn't (as far as I know) implemented anything like this, when on the other hand we keep seeing more and more advanced details in the simulation itself. I guess in the end it's a cousin to the question "if Aces of the deep had wolfpacks, why doesn't the Silent Hunter III have them?"

Sailor Steve · 01-21-11, 01:21 PM

Ah. Good point, then.

Damo · 01-21-11, 04:21 PM

I now and again play Eve Online ( I know, I know, shush now...), but they have a great approach to damage and kill crediting. Every ship destroyed by players will produce a killmail, a record of the engagement that details the percentage of damage caused by each person involved, even those that are purely logistics, just jamming a ships sensors or disrupting it's warpdrive without actually causing physical damage. No 'shouldershooters' here (yes I fly IL2 too so there's my redemption), and everyone gets a slice of the pie.

Now if only simulations would put in an algorithm that measures the damage sustained from each source, so storm damage would get a percentage, the player shooting would also, the one that causes the most damage gets the credit. I've only ever really thought this way about IL2 but your post has highlighted the fact that it could be a very welcome system in countless other games too, including SH.

And Sailor Steve, when you say they don't know whether we're gonna be picky or not, Ubi really should have taken a long hard look at these forums before they even started working on SH5, cos they obviously didn't did they? LOL. That's a whole new conversation that's been thrashed out all too often already me thinks...

sukitha · 02-08-11, 01:31 PM

there's a list here.

http://www.filefront.com/user/JimbunaGWX2/

Tessa · 02-09-11, 03:44 AM

During the war itself you didn't get any credit (towards your tonnage totals) when you damaged a ship. It would frequently get you a commendation like a MID (mentioned in dispatches) but wasn't counted towards your tonnage in terms of getting medals.

In reality severely damaging ships did cause a lot of problems, effectively removing the ship from service till it was able to get repaired; which in the cases of large warships or tankers could be months. For a game to really make use of damaging a ship it would have to remove it from the game for x time while it gets repaired and be a truly dynamic campaign engine.

desirableroasted · 02-09-11, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tessa

In reality severely damaging ships did cause a lot of problems, effectively removing the ship from service till it was able to get repaired; which in the cases of large warships or tankers could be months.

I recently re-read Robert Massie's Castles of Steel, an account of how Britain and Germany (and, more interestingly, how their admirals) used their fleets in the Great War.

One recurring theme is how handling damaged ships became a logistical nightmare. In some cases, both Admiralties would have preferred the ship to be sunk outright (if the crews could be brought off), rather than work out how and where to repair a cripple.

frau kaleun · 02-09-11, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by desirableroasted

One recurring theme is how handling damaged ships became a logistical nightmare.

I would imagine so, particularly if it had to be towed any considerable distance... which would involve resources that could've been put to use elsewhere, not to mention making everyone involved vulnerable to attack unless properly escorted, which would take up even more resources that could've been used elsewhere.

danexpat · 02-09-11, 03:55 PM

I could swear that a ship I hit had its rudder stuck in a hard turn to port. It was bobbing out of the water due to flooding astern.

Does the game model rudder damage for AI ships the same way it does for our u-boats?

Jimbuna · 02-09-11, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sukitha

there's a list here.

http://www.filefront.com/user/JimbunaGWX2/

I'm not certain but that may be an old list.

Cabaron · 04-30-12, 06:11 PM

I sank 19,000 tons of british shipping in '39.
Realism: 50
Ships sunk: Granville Freighter, 2 Small Coal Tenders, 2 Pelagic Trawlers, 1 Small Freighter.

For this i recieved 120 Reknown, is this normal? At this rate itll take me years to buy a new sub, or better equipment.

01-21-11, 12:45 AM	#1
VONHARRIS Konteradmiral Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Greece Posts: 1,992 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Renown in GWX Ok , I have a question for you. Can anyboby tell me the renown points credited for sinking ships in GWX? For example , how many points will I receive if I sink the HMS Hood? I just thought of that : Is there any mod , or can one be made to give points for damaging ships? It is a pity to leave a Revenge class behind dead in the water because you don't have any torps left. At least you should be rewarded for putting her out of service fo some time. Thank you all.

01-21-11, 01:39 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Open up Data/Sea/NBC_Hood/ and then the NBC_Hood.cfg file. There you will see 'RenownAwarded=1800'. You can of course do this for any ship in the Sea folder, which is any ship in the game. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-21-11, 12:37 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	It's not a matter of whether they "can" do it, it's just that they didn't think of it. They don't always know when their players are going to be picky and when we aren't. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-21-11, 12:56 PM	#6
Hottentot Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My private socialist utopia of Finland Posts: 1,918 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I wasn't bashing the developers, even less any specific developers. What confuses me is that this happens in most sims. Actually I can't think any sim from the top of my head that doesn't have a system like this. Dangerous Waters might have implemented credit for damage, but I'm not sure since it has been a while since I played it. And as you said, the developers probably could do it, I don't doubt that either. So I just find it confusing that no sim hasn't (as far as I know) implemented anything like this, when on the other hand we keep seeing more and more advanced details in the simulation itself. I guess in the end it's a cousin to the question "if Aces of the deep had wolfpacks, why doesn't the Silent Hunter III have them?" __________________ Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

01-21-11, 01:21 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Ah. Good point, then. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-21-11, 05:18 AM	#3
VONHARRIS Konteradmiral Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Greece Posts: 1,992 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Thank you Sailor Steve. I have never thought to look there. I will make a list of ships and their renown.

01-21-11, 04:21 PM	#8
Damo Captain Join Date: May 2009 Location: Forever stuck in Data folder... Posts: 482 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	I now and again play Eve Online ( I know, I know, shush now...), but they have a great approach to damage and kill crediting. Every ship destroyed by players will produce a killmail, a record of the engagement that details the percentage of damage caused by each person involved, even those that are purely logistics, just jamming a ships sensors or disrupting it's warpdrive without actually causing physical damage. No 'shouldershooters' here (yes I fly IL2 too so there's my redemption), and everyone gets a slice of the pie. Now if only simulations would put in an algorithm that measures the damage sustained from each source, so storm damage would get a percentage, the player shooting would also, the one that causes the most damage gets the credit. I've only ever really thought this way about IL2 but your post has highlighted the fact that it could be a very welcome system in countless other games too, including SH. And Sailor Steve, when you say they don't know whether we're gonna be picky or not, Ubi really should have taken a long hard look at these forums before they even started working on SH5, cos they obviously didn't did they? LOL. That's a whole new conversation that's been thrashed out all too often already me thinks... __________________ The owl and the pussycat went to sea in a beautiful pea-green boat. It only took one T1 eel to convince that boat not to float.

02-08-11, 01:31 PM	#9
sukitha Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 9 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	there's a list here. http://www.filefront.com/user/JimbunaGWX2/

02-09-11, 03:44 AM	#10
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	During the war itself you didn't get any credit (towards your tonnage totals) when you damaged a ship. It would frequently get you a commendation like a MID (mentioned in dispatches) but wasn't counted towards your tonnage in terms of getting medals. In reality severely damaging ships did cause a lot of problems, effectively removing the ship from service till it was able to get repaired; which in the cases of large warships or tankers could be months. For a game to really make use of damaging a ship it would have to remove it from the game for x time while it gets repaired and be a truly dynamic campaign engine.

02-09-11, 03:55 PM	#13
danexpat Mate Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wherever you hear the grinding of a DD hull on a U-boat Posts: 60 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I could swear that a ship I hit had its rudder stuck in a hard turn to port. It was bobbing out of the water due to flooding astern. Does the game model rudder damage for AI ships the same way it does for our u-boats?

04-30-12, 06:11 PM	#15
Cabaron Nub Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 3 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I sank 19,000 tons of british shipping in '39. Realism: 50 Ships sunk: Granville Freighter, 2 Small Coal Tenders, 2 Pelagic Trawlers, 1 Small Freighter. For this i recieved 120 Reknown, is this normal? At this rate itll take me years to buy a new sub, or better equipment.