The hypocracy behind Gay Marriage

Ducimus · 01-09-14, 05:01 PM

This is just my opinion that I wanted to get off my chest, but before i get into it, i wanted to formally preface this. (and yes this is all brought about from the latest news about gay marriage in Utah and the pending litigation )

Preface:
Change of opinion - which for me is very rare
My opinion about a great many things has changed during 2013. So much so, I could probably write an essay on that alone. It's amazing what one political group going after one of your constitutional rights will do to change one's opinion about a great many things, but I digress.

Religion in general - I'm still not a big fan.
The problem I have with religion in general, is when it's forced upon me. Don't force me to believe as you do, and we'll be fine. Now that said, living where I do, marrying into a Mormon family, I find that I have grown much more tolerant of religion. Moving from California to Utah (polar opposites in terms of politics and societal outlook), I have learned two things:

a.) Religion has its place in society as it promotes civility. Some people need it, some don't. Regardless if one needs it or not, it exists as a guiding principle for many people, and helps shape civility into society.

b.) It's the evangelical types I have my issues with due to their intolerance of other peoples beliefs. Evangelicals aside I have discovered mutal respect of beliefs. When I go to a friend of family member's house who is active in church, I abide by their rules and customs. When they come to my house, they do the same. It's not asked of, it's just done. Live and let live, a rather novel concept.

Preface aside,
- I am still all for the separation of church and state. Or rather, the separation of church from state. I view matters of church and state as mutally exclusive.

- I still don't care what two consenting adults do in their bedroom or their personal lives regardless of sexual orientation. What you do in your pursuit of life, liberty and happiness is none of my business.

But here's the rub,
Like many of the lefty progressive types, I am for the separation of church and state, though I say this with the reservation and acknowledgement that predominate local beliefs (liberal or conservative) will effect local politics. However, By and large separation of church and state is something that they will argue vehemently for; and they will often cite the same reasons I have. Don't force your beliefs on me.

And yet, that is exactly what they are doing. Forcing their beliefs upon others. They argue for the removal of church from state, and yet the existence of the state in the church is ok in their view, in essence creating a double standard. At it's core, marriage, is a religious ceremony. All religion is voluntary. If a particular religious denomination is ok with gay marriage, fine. Get married, I hope your happy. But if a denomination is not ok with it, forcing your view upon any religious denomination is just as wrong as evangelical types forcing their views upon you. In sum, you become no better then that which you've despised, claiming the moral high ground, and yet doing the exact same thing you hate having done to you. In short, it's hypocritical.

Just expressing my opinion for hell of it. I don't expect anyone to agree with it.

01-09-14, 05:01 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The hypocracy behind Gay Marriage This is just my opinion that I wanted to get off my chest, but before i get into it, i wanted to formally preface this. (and yes this is all brought about from the latest news about gay marriage in Utah and the pending litigation ) Preface: Change of opinion - which for me is very rare My opinion about a great many things has changed during 2013. So much so, I could probably write an essay on that alone. It's amazing what one political group going after one of your constitutional rights will do to change one's opinion about a great many things, but I digress. Religion in general - I'm still not a big fan. The problem I have with religion in general, is when it's forced upon me. Don't force me to believe as you do, and we'll be fine. Now that said, living where I do, marrying into a Mormon family, I find that I have grown much more tolerant of religion. Moving from California to Utah (polar opposites in terms of politics and societal outlook), I have learned two things: a.) Religion has its place in society as it promotes civility. Some people need it, some don't. Regardless if one needs it or not, it exists as a guiding principle for many people, and helps shape civility into society. b.) It's the evangelical types I have my issues with due to their intolerance of other peoples beliefs. Evangelicals aside I have discovered mutal respect of beliefs. When I go to a friend of family member's house who is active in church, I abide by their rules and customs. When they come to my house, they do the same. It's not asked of, it's just done. Live and let live, a rather novel concept. Preface aside, - I am still all for the separation of church and state. Or rather, the separation of church from state. I view matters of church and state as mutally exclusive. - I still don't care what two consenting adults do in their bedroom or their personal lives regardless of sexual orientation. What you do in your pursuit of life, liberty and happiness is none of my business. But here's the rub, Like many of the lefty progressive types, I am for the separation of church and state, though I say this with the reservation and acknowledgement that predominate local beliefs (liberal or conservative) will effect local politics. However, By and large separation of church and state is something that they will argue vehemently for; and they will often cite the same reasons I have. Don't force your beliefs on me. And yet, that is exactly what they are doing. Forcing their beliefs upon others. They argue for the removal of church from state, and yet the existence of the state in the church is ok in their view, in essence creating a double standard. At it's core, marriage, is a religious ceremony. All religion is voluntary. If a particular religious denomination is ok with gay marriage, fine. Get married, I hope your happy. But if a denomination is not ok with it, forcing your view upon any religious denomination is just as wrong as evangelical types forcing their views upon you. In sum, you become no better then that which you've despised, claiming the moral high ground, and yet doing the exact same thing you hate having done to you. In short, it's hypocritical. Just expressing my opinion for hell of it. I don't expect anyone to agree with it.