New York moves ahead with trampling of 2nd Amendment

[GoldenRivet]

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/06/ne...-and-shotguns/

Confiscation of firearms now being officially requested by police forces

according to a letter the NYPD is sending out to targeted city gun owners; “You have the following options,” the letter explains.

Among those "options"

Immediately surrender your Rifle and/or Shotgun to your local police precinct.

Fortunately, almost every police officer in Texas i know personally is a pro-gun, pro 2nd amendment, weekend hobby shooter. If they order came, they would gladly stand on our side of the line in the sand.

Unfortunately things get a little confused the further north you seem to go, the very people whose ancestors gathered up muskets and powder and fought for the constitution and the rights we enjoy today now appear to piss on those rights and openly root for tyranny.

I can assure you of one thing. if any gestapo showed up knocking at my door to confiscate my firearms... only the women and children would be leaving the house peaceably.

[Jimbuna]

Sounds like one hot potato Mark

[Tchocky]

Is it possible to go without calling people Nazis?

You'd think that's a sort of given, but whatever.

And as with every thread like this, what's with the intense planning and bloodthirsty anticipation for a hypothetical civil war over something so inconsequential (to me) as gun rights?

It's like any thread about some murderer or rapist, people falling over each other describing delicious painful punishments.

Blech.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

something so inconsequential (to me) as gun rights?

And theres the problem

not a single one of the rights is inconsequential.

You may elect not to use it personally - thats fine - but others might wish to.

Would this be an issue for you if they were confiscating religious materials? Or what about history books?

What if they were going house to house to check computer hard drives or to inspect the living conditions of your children?

Isn't this story about the letters already in the gunny gunz topic?
I think Ducimus posted it.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Isn't this story about the letters already in the gunny gunz topic?
I think Ducimus posted it.

Thats possible... i generally make it a habit not to post on things regarding politics because it devolves so quickly here in GT

Perhaps i should have just kept my mouth shut

[Tchocky]

Well here's the point. It's not blanket confiscation, it's complying with state law. The hypotheticals don't approximate to this subject. Those situations are ridiculous extrapolations that really don't have any bearing.

Same way as you can't carry a handgun in your car without concealing it. (you can carry a long gun openly in the car so let's not pretend these laws make coherent sense)
If one was being obtuse enough one could see that as infringing on the First and Second amendments.

That case wouldn't win because the state has a public safety interest in regulation there. As does the state of NY, where the regulations on what you can and can't own are different but legal. These regulations are in every state, proof being I haven't got a rocket launcher on my wall.

What I don't get is how one states interpretation of the same kind of restrictions that every state is obliged to have becomes "tyranny" all of a sudden. Or why you're ready to call people Nazis over this. That's ridiculous to me.

It continuously bears out that in these discussions hyperbole arrives quickly and doesn't leave until jimbuna gets out the infraction hammer.

I'm not unsympathetic to gun ownership rights, but there's no reason to employ bad arguments for them.

Then again Texans aren't exactly real Americans (secession, Mexican War etc), are so far removed from the armed struggle, and weren't even present at the Continental Congress. So it's not surprising the police would....eh...man the barricades against the NorthEastern Nazis. Or something.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Thats possible... i generally make it a habit not to post on things regarding politics because it devolves so quickly here in GT

Perhaps i should have just kept my mouth shut

If you're going to call people Nazis in the first post, perhaps it's not surprising.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Thats possible... i generally make it a habit not to post on things regarding politics because it devolves so quickly here in GT

Perhaps i should have just kept my mouth shut

Why keep your mouth shut?
It's an important issue, however as I said in the duplicate this is nothing new really, NY city has done similar things for decades.

[Safe-Keeper]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Would this be an issue for you if they were confiscating religious materials? Or what about history books?

Not in any way dangerous, so yes. If they were confiscating, say, toxic or explosive materials because they thought you were going to use them to hurt someone, however, then absolutely not.

What if they were going house to house to check computer hard drives or to inspect the living conditions of your children?

They already do house searches and visits to check on the living conditions of children when they feel a need to, so no.

Is your worry that the police is going to just round up everybody's guns jsut because they can? Because pardon me, but that sounds slightly paranoid and completely unrealistic.

[Skybird]

The weaker the prey, the better for the predator. You get the perfect citizen that way: submissive, obedient, defenseless. Perfect! The capable, informed, equipped-with-teeth citizen is not wanted. Not at all. What is wanted is citizens with wide open pockets, and amputated hands and minds.

[Sailor Steve]

^ ^ ^

Not citizens, but subjects.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The weaker the prey, the better for the predator. You get the perfect citizen that way: submissive, obedient, defenseless. Perfect! The capable, informed, equipped-with-teeth citizen is not wanted. Not at all. What is wanted is citizens with wide open pockets, and amputated hands and minds.

So the entire movement towards increased gun regulation is designed to create a defenseless populace so they can be controlled, extorted and ordered around.

Nothing to do with public safety. Nothing to do with trying to reduce violence.

And of course no government wants capable or informed citizens. That's why they discourage education and skills development. It's so obvious!

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't see the purpose behind taking guns that load more than a determined amount of rounds. Heck, simply get a second firearm to carry. The thugs do.

[ETR3(SS)]

All these laws do are give a "feel good" factor. Certain people will "feel good" that something is being done about this firearm menace. All it will accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals. And for what? To make a DA's conviction record sparkle like a gay vampire? Why doesn't NYC go ask DC how it's gun laws are helping to stop violence in its city?

This is just political pandering and honestly it wouldn't be just another day in America if somebody wasn't crying out to trample the rights of somebody else.

[Aktungbby]

Nuthin' new here to this ol' Brooklyn-born boy. In the year of '78-79, I traversed Central Park to visit my college buddy overnight in Brooklyn, via subway, whilst on a truck trip to the big apple. Dressed stupidly in a sheepskin coat and Stetson, dop kit in hand, I attracted the attention of a mugger who approached me, his prey, directly, his 'body English' betraying less than kindly intent. Fortunately, I had on my normally under the sleeper mattress .357 Trooper Colt's in it's clamshell holster and opened my coat to reveal my preparedness to the would be mugger. He stopped, stunned, smiled and asked "You're not from around here, are ya'?" I said "nope" and he actually wished me a 'pleasant evening' and moved on to less contentious pickings. Some years later, a state senator's son was mugged in San Francisco in front of my Appeals Court post at 7th & Mission in San Francisco and shot dead. I clearly violated NYC's Sullivan Law and have never regretted it. Aktung rule 1: B der 'er' und not der 'ee'! Texans ain't real 'mericans huh Tchocky? ONKEL!!!