First Post: Enemy escort AI just....giving up? Just sitting there?

Sulaco · 11-09-13, 05:29 AM

Hello guys! Been a long time player since the SH3 days of 2004 (2005?)

Anyway, love the series, bought SH4 launch day, but just recently rediscovered it with all the mods.

I am using:

TMO 2.5
Improved Stock Environment V3
RSRDC_v18_v500
RSRDC_V5xx_Patch1

So here's the deal.

After installing and playing TMO for the first time, I was really taken aback by how aggressive and TOUGH the enemy AI was. I had to rethink my strategy completely from vanilla SH4, as if they even got a whiff of me, they just pursued like there was no tomorrow.

I then downloaded RSRDC, for a more realistic, better fleshed out campaign. While I love the campaign changes I've noticed a disturbing trend.

After attacking an enemy convoy or task force, if running silent, at 1/3rd power, after the torpedoes impact the targets and its clear there's a sub in the area, the escorts barely do ANYTHNG. If there are 3 destroyers, one might lazily meander at about 8-12 kts, one maybe a little slower, and sometimes one will just SIT THERE entirely. 00 kts.
This of course makes evasion child's play. I dive to 400 and slink away, without the slightest fear of a destroyer even catching wind of me.

Has anyone else experienced this? If it helps, I'm playing on "NORMAL" difficulty. Should I up the difficulty? I did NOT notice this with just TMO at all, but now with RSRDC and patches, its been an issue on 3 separate encounters.

(PS Encounters are happening in a Balao in late 1943)

Cliffs Notes/TL

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--Escorts super aggressive and accurate in TMO 2.5
--Install RSRDC (w/patches)
--Escorts now are lazy...often barely attempt to find me, sometimes just sit there literally not moving.
--Is this a RSRDC issue? Patch? Or maybe just my "Normal" difficulty?

Thanks guys!!

ETR3(SS) · 11-09-13, 09:26 AM

Well I can't offer any help, but welcome aboard all the same!

Admiral Halsey · 11-09-13, 11:09 AM

Did you download the TMO compatible version of RSRD?

Bubblehead1980 · 11-09-13, 03:12 PM

Well in RSRDC escorts are somewhat ineffective until very late in 43 and into 1944, only get tougher from there.TMO escorts are always tough, RSRD varies but won't always be like that.Nothing wrong with game, it's just the mod.However, when 44 rolls around, they are using TMO AI and can be quite tough, don't underestimate them, esp once get into mid to late 44 and into 45, when they are just deadly in most cases, esp since in RSRD if you are where traffic is, you will be in pretty shallow waters and must be careful.

Kaleun · 11-09-13, 03:33 PM

I think you have the wrong version of RSRDC installed;

For TMO you need version

RSRDC_TMO_V502 - link here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1414

TorpX · 11-09-13, 05:47 PM

This is the correct version for TMO:

TMO
RSRDC_TMO_v501

I don't know anything about RSRDC_v18_v500, if that is what you are using.

It's normal for escorts to stop and just listen at times. They really can't hear much of they're churning to and fro all the time. They can't be very aggressive if they don't know where you are.

fireftr18 · 11-09-13, 06:06 PM

Welcome aboard Sulaco!

Always glad to get some new members here.
Now get in the bilge and scrape out the crud. But please, leave us Ubirats alone.

And by the way, I can't help you with your problem. I haven't noticed it except in stock.

Armistead · 11-09-13, 11:15 PM

Yep, install right version of RSRD. 502 and patch....As Bubble said, with RSRD the AI improves more mid war.

Sulaco · 11-10-13, 12:38 AM

Thanks for the replies, guys!!

I thought my RSRDC was up to date, I guess not. I just downloaded the latest version, hopefully that solves it.

P.S. General question, but what does the campaign DIFFICULTY setting control? Not the individual realism settings in the office/desk area, but the actual "Easy, Normal, Hard, Expert, Realistic" settings on the main menu? I'm thinking about cranking it up a bit, but stock TMO's escorts were super tough already.

magic452 · 11-10-13, 01:08 AM

Those settings won't affect the AI at all. Just preset difficulty settings and they are for single missions only not career. All career settings are done in the office and do the same things.

Welcome to the boat mate.

Good luck and good hunting.

Magic

11-09-13, 05:29 AM	#1
Sulaco Nub Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 2 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	First Post: Enemy escort AI just....giving up? Just sitting there? Hello guys! Been a long time player since the SH3 days of 2004 (2005?) Anyway, love the series, bought SH4 launch day, but just recently rediscovered it with all the mods. I am using: TMO 2.5 Improved Stock Environment V3 RSRDC_v18_v500 RSRDC_V5xx_Patch1 So here's the deal. After installing and playing TMO for the first time, I was really taken aback by how aggressive and TOUGH the enemy AI was. I had to rethink my strategy completely from vanilla SH4, as if they even got a whiff of me, they just pursued like there was no tomorrow. I then downloaded RSRDC, for a more realistic, better fleshed out campaign. While I love the campaign changes I've noticed a disturbing trend. After attacking an enemy convoy or task force, if running silent, at 1/3rd power, after the torpedoes impact the targets and its clear there's a sub in the area, the escorts barely do ANYTHNG. If there are 3 destroyers, one might lazily meander at about 8-12 kts, one maybe a little slower, and sometimes one will just SIT THERE entirely. 00 kts. This of course makes evasion child's play. I dive to 400 and slink away, without the slightest fear of a destroyer even catching wind of me. Has anyone else experienced this? If it helps, I'm playing on "NORMAL" difficulty. Should I up the difficulty? I did NOT notice this with just TMO at all, but now with RSRDC and patches, its been an issue on 3 separate encounters. (PS Encounters are happening in a Balao in late 1943) Cliffs Notes/TLR --Escorts super aggressive and accurate in TMO 2.5 --Install RSRDC (w/patches) --Escorts now are lazy...often barely attempt to find me, sometimes just sit there literally not moving. --Is this a RSRDC issue? Patch? Or maybe just my "Normal" difficulty? Thanks guys!!

11-09-13, 09:26 AM	#2
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	Well I can't offer any help, but welcome aboard all the same! __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

11-09-13, 05:47 PM	#6
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	This is the correct version for TMO: TMO RSRDC_TMO_v501 I don't know anything about RSRDC_v18_v500, if that is what you are using. It's normal for escorts to stop and just listen at times. They really can't hear much of they're churning to and fro all the time. They can't be very aggressive if they don't know where you are.

11-09-13, 06:06 PM	#7
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard Sulaco! Always glad to get some new members here. Now get in the bilge and scrape out the crud. But please, leave us Ubirats alone. And by the way, I can't help you with your problem. I haven't noticed it except in stock. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

11-09-13, 11:15 PM	#8
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Yep, install right version of RSRD. 502 and patch....As Bubble said, with RSRD the AI improves more mid war. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

11-09-13, 11:09 AM	#3
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 317 Uploads: 0	Did you download the TMO compatible version of RSRD?

11-09-13, 03:12 PM	#4
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	Well in RSRDC escorts are somewhat ineffective until very late in 43 and into 1944, only get tougher from there.TMO escorts are always tough, RSRD varies but won't always be like that.Nothing wrong with game, it's just the mod.However, when 44 rolls around, they are using TMO AI and can be quite tough, don't underestimate them, esp once get into mid to late 44 and into 45, when they are just deadly in most cases, esp since in RSRD if you are where traffic is, you will be in pretty shallow waters and must be careful.

11-09-13, 03:33 PM	#5
Kaleun Chief Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 329 Downloads: 266 Uploads: 0	I think you have the wrong version of RSRDC installed; For TMO you need version RSRDC_TMO_V502 - link here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1414

11-10-13, 12:38 AM	#9
Sulaco Nub Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 2 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the replies, guys!! I thought my RSRDC was up to date, I guess not. I just downloaded the latest version, hopefully that solves it. P.S. General question, but what does the campaign DIFFICULTY setting control? Not the individual realism settings in the office/desk area, but the actual "Easy, Normal, Hard, Expert, Realistic" settings on the main menu? I'm thinking about cranking it up a bit, but stock TMO's escorts were super tough already.

11-10-13, 01:08 AM	#10
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Those settings won't affect the AI at all. Just preset difficulty settings and they are for single missions only not career. All career settings are done in the office and do the same things. Welcome to the boat mate. Good luck and good hunting. Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l