I just want to be the captain...

Staniol · 10-19-13, 12:24 PM

... in a simulated environment, is it possible?
Let me explain.
I expect my my crew to do their job, but want to avoid any arcade things.
For example, navigation.
I don't want to see moving dots on the map, just pencil marks, but I need the navigator to calculate the position when I ask him (and this should take time as it would in real life). I accept human error, and weather impact.
Same for attack, I have all these fine men on the ship to calculate distance, speed, identify target, and so on (again, in required time and human error).
If the crew is getting experience, faster and better in these things, that would be more fun.

So, what mods I would need for this?
All graphics mods and Open Horizons I assume, but on top of these, I have no clue.
If you have the time and the will... would you be so kind to help me out?
Thanks in advance.

aschar · 10-19-13, 03:09 PM

Fortunately, you're in luck. There's the Real Navigation mod that gives you exactly what you want; and yes, you can get lost in bad weather with Real Navigation. Sober's Mega Mod features Real Navigation, along with many other essential mods.

plj · 10-19-13, 05:09 PM

Yup, sounds to me you need to check out the sticky with sober's list, read post 1 and 2 carefully, then install the mods in his .mep list .. you can use the member all in one zip, but that does not have all the mods, you can use an available .mep file, but it might nog contain a current list. The list in post 1 is leading .. always.

If you follow instructions and use the referenced links, you should have little trouble .. feel free to ask if you run into issues.

Also, it seems a lot more complicated and immense to install then it actually is

Staniol · 10-21-13, 02:52 AM

Thanks for the prompt answers.
I am getting started with mods, and instead of doing all in one, I am trying to enable them 1 by 1 to understand the impact (well, except graph mods, I assume they make the game better that is why you all use it).
I am spending my time with the readme files now.
One question on navigation. I understand that the autmated script is forcing my navigator to check position frequently which he marks on my map with a pencil and this is great, but will he follow a course I plot on the map based on this information?

plj · 10-21-13, 02:58 AM

Real navigation has NO course plotting. That requires your position to be known .. something that you have to calculate (with error) in real navigation.

You have to plot the old way .. get your speed and the distance, and do a little math. frequent checking and some knowledge on coastlines is also adviced.

Impact of different mods on the whole is hard to determine in isolation. It's often multiple mods not playing nice together creating special effects in certain situations. Which makes it a PITA to diagnose. sober's list is very stable and very well researched. If you have a less beefy computer, Sjizzle's list should proove a good alternative.

THE_MASK · 10-21-13, 03:13 AM

Real navigation the easy way . Use options editor and make the game drop to 1TC on any message box message . Start the real navigation script . Head in which direction you want to go . 2 hours later the navigator will tell you he is working out where you are and the game will drop to 1TC . The navigator will put an x on the navmap . Change course or same course and TC to your desired level . You can turn drop game to 1TC on any message box message on or off at will .

gap · 10-21-13, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staniol

Thanks for the prompt answers.
I am getting started with mods, and instead of doing all in one, I am trying to enable them 1 by 1 to understand the impact (well, except graph mods, I assume they make the game better that is why you all use it).
I am spending my time with the readme files now.

Wise approach

Quote:

Originally Posted by Staniol

One question on navigation. I understand that the autmated script is forcing my navigator to check position frequently which he marks on my map with a pencil and this is great, but will he follow a course I plot on the map based on this information?

With real navigation, you will need to calculate your course, order the appropriate heading/speed manually, and again calculate how long reaching the desired point will take.

Staniol · 10-21-13, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

Wise approach

With real navigation, you will need to calculate your course, order the appropriate heading/speed manually, and again calculate how long reaching the desired point will take.

Ahh, I see.
This is what I thought I can trust my Navigator with.
I plot a course for him, and he will calculate, modify heading, calculate, modify heading and so on... just wanna see reports that we are on course sir, we reached a waypoint or we totally lost for the last 4 hours sir. This would be the real thing, right?
So, this is what I am trying to achieve, being a captain (without doing everyone's job on the boat), but in a believable real environment (without magic moving icons on the map. )
Looks like I need more investigation how to achieve this.

Thanks anyway!

10-19-13, 12:24 PM	#1
Staniol Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hungary Posts: 8 Downloads: 149 Uploads: 0	I just want to be the captain... ... in a simulated environment, is it possible? Let me explain. I expect my my crew to do their job, but want to avoid any arcade things. For example, navigation. I don't want to see moving dots on the map, just pencil marks, but I need the navigator to calculate the position when I ask him (and this should take time as it would in real life). I accept human error, and weather impact. Same for attack, I have all these fine men on the ship to calculate distance, speed, identify target, and so on (again, in required time and human error). If the crew is getting experience, faster and better in these things, that would be more fun. So, what mods I would need for this? All graphics mods and Open Horizons I assume, but on top of these, I have no clue. If you have the time and the will... would you be so kind to help me out? Thanks in advance.

10-19-13, 03:09 PM	#2
aschar Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Washington State, US Posts: 13 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Fortunately, you're in luck. There's the Real Navigation mod that gives you exactly what you want; and yes, you can get lost in bad weather with Real Navigation. Sober's Mega Mod features Real Navigation, along with many other essential mods.

10-19-13, 05:09 PM	#3
plj Captain Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 542 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	Yup, sounds to me you need to check out the sticky with sober's list, read post 1 and 2 carefully, then install the mods in his .mep list .. you can use the member all in one zip, but that does not have all the mods, you can use an available .mep file, but it might nog contain a current list. The list in post 1 is leading .. always. If you follow instructions and use the referenced links, you should have little trouble .. feel free to ask if you run into issues. Also, it seems a lot more complicated and immense to install then it actually is

10-21-13, 02:52 AM	#4
Staniol Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hungary Posts: 8 Downloads: 149 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the prompt answers. I am getting started with mods, and instead of doing all in one, I am trying to enable them 1 by 1 to understand the impact (well, except graph mods, I assume they make the game better that is why you all use it). I am spending my time with the readme files now. One question on navigation. I understand that the autmated script is forcing my navigator to check position frequently which he marks on my map with a pencil and this is great, but will he follow a course I plot on the map based on this information?

10-21-13, 02:58 AM	#5
plj Captain Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 542 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	Real navigation has NO course plotting. That requires your position to be known .. something that you have to calculate (with error) in real navigation. You have to plot the old way .. get your speed and the distance, and do a little math. frequent checking and some knowledge on coastlines is also adviced. Impact of different mods on the whole is hard to determine in isolation. It's often multiple mods not playing nice together creating special effects in certain situations. Which makes it a PITA to diagnose. sober's list is very stable and very well researched. If you have a less beefy computer, Sjizzle's list should proove a good alternative.

10-21-13, 03:13 AM	#6
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Real navigation the easy way . Use options editor and make the game drop to 1TC on any message box message . Start the real navigation script . Head in which direction you want to go . 2 hours later the navigator will tell you he is working out where you are and the game will drop to 1TC . The navigator will put an x on the navmap . Change course or same course and TC to your desired level . You can turn drop game to 1TC on any message box message on or off at will .