Frustrated

J0313 · 05-06-13, 12:58 PM

I hate the fact that you cant radio in a convoy/task force report in SH4 unless you have eyes on the ship and/or ships in the group. I think that if you have a solid radar contact and you know that it cant be anything but an enemy task force then you should be able to give a position report based just off of radar data. Last night I had a positive ID on at least 2 of the ships in the task force and since I was at radar depth I also think that you should be able to send a message when you are at radar depth.

J0313 · 05-06-13, 01:27 PM

How would you change this? If some one could point me in the right direction then I will try it myself and hopefully come up with something.

Sailor Steve · 05-06-13, 01:57 PM

I don't think you can change it. It's the same with SH3. You should be able to report anything you want without being in contact at all. The games forget things that aren't there anymore. It's just like in SH3 where if the wounded sailor has been healed you can't give him a wound badge because he's not wounded anymore.

Silly, really.

J0313 · 05-06-13, 02:04 PM

That really blows. Right now I am in the mission during the Battle of the Phillippine Sea where you run into the big Jap TF. I was going to report the TF but decided against it becouse I was picking up alot of radar signals. Soooo, I just went for the approach and got the Taiho with 4 out of six fish. She went down in about 4 minutes.Anyhow I dont think its going to give me credit for completeing the mission becouse I didnt report the TF.

05-06-13, 02:25 PM

yep you might fix it to be able to report but the "what" you report is decided by the game and as steve pointed out the game would forget and report nothing in your report.

then again reporting can give your position away "in theory" so you certainly wouldnt want to do it unless you were 100% sure it wasn't friendly or neutral shipping and you can only do that visually

I would like to be able to "save" a contact report so I can get out of the area before sending a report and revealing myself to any enemy listening nearby but this too cant be done because of the way the game engine works

J0313 · 05-06-13, 02:56 PM

That would be to much like real life. Shame on you for even considering that Webster! LOL!!

Armistead · 05-06-13, 05:09 PM

check your PM.

ETR3(SS) · 05-07-13, 01:29 AM

Transmitting without an antenna above the water won't work. So transmitting at radar depth isn't feasible either.

J0313 · 05-07-13, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Transmitting without an antenna above the water won't work. So transmitting at radar depth isn't feasible either.

So where is the antenna?

J0313 · 05-07-13, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Transmitting without an antenna above the water won't work. So transmitting at radar depth isn't feasible either.

Then do you want to explain to me how come you can recieve transmissions at radar depth?

J0313 · 05-07-13, 07:19 AM

Dont worry there ETR. Both of those questions are retorical. I already know the answers. YES you can transmit and recieve at radar depth and you can do both when using low frequency radio at periscope depth. Check out this site if you dont believe me.

http://www.ka8vit.com/subops/subop4.htm

ETR3(SS) · 05-08-13, 01:03 AM

Take a closer look at my sig. Comms Div stands for Communications Division. Also your link made no mention of transmitting and receiving at any depth.

J0313 · 05-17-13, 10:47 PM

Gee, were you a submariner 60 years ago? Didnt think so. Dont really care what your rate is and I happen to know that they could transmit and recieve at radar depth. So take a hike.

Also take a closer look at the shears in the external diagram. Notice the DF loop and the radio antenna, both of which would be well out of the water at radar depth.

Redmane · 05-17-13, 11:31 PM

Really, I'm gonna have to go with ETR3 on this one. Got curious about this and checked out that link, and ETR3 is correct, the fellow who wrote that makes no mention at all regarding the capabilities of the equipment to receive or transmit while submerged at any depth. Here's another link that sort of covers the subject, and explains exactly why a submerged boat would not be able to transmit at all on any frequency, but could recieve a VLF (very low frequency) signal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communi...ith_submarines

J0313 · 05-18-13, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Redmane

Really, I'm gonna have to go with ETR3 on this one. Got curious about this and checked out that link, and ETR3 is correct, the fellow who wrote that makes no mention at all regarding the capabilities of the equipment to receive or transmit while submerged at any depth. Here's another link that sort of covers the subject, and explains exactly why a submerged boat would not be able to transmit at all on any frequency, but could recieve a VLF (very low frequency) signal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communi...ith_submarines

Yes Redmane I agree that WW2 boats couldnt transmit while COMPLETLEY submerged. They could only recieve LF transmissions and even then they had to be shallow. The point I am trying to make is that a Fleetboat could transmit and recieve at RADAR DEPTH. The shears are out of the water and the radio Antenna is completely out of the water. I read the same wiki article you did before you even brought it up. The reason I pointed to the article is becouse of the external diagram. It shows the positioning of the antenna. And it clearly shows that AT RADAR DEPTH, the radio apperatus is out of the water HELLO.

05-06-13, 12:58 PM	#1
J0313 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 887 Downloads: 1823 Uploads: 0	Frustrated I hate the fact that you cant radio in a convoy/task force report in SH4 unless you have eyes on the ship and/or ships in the group. I think that if you have a solid radar contact and you know that it cant be anything but an enemy task force then you should be able to give a position report based just off of radar data. Last night I had a positive ID on at least 2 of the ships in the task force and since I was at radar depth I also think that you should be able to send a message when you are at radar depth.

05-06-13, 01:57 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I don't think you can change it. It's the same with SH3. You should be able to report anything you want without being in contact at all. The games forget things that aren't there anymore. It's just like in SH3 where if the wounded sailor has been healed you can't give him a wound badge because he's not wounded anymore. Silly, really. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-06-13, 05:09 PM	#7
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	check your PM. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

05-07-13, 01:29 AM	#8
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	Transmitting without an antenna above the water won't work. So transmitting at radar depth isn't feasible either. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

05-08-13, 01:03 AM	#12
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	Take a closer look at my sig. Comms Div stands for Communications Division. Also your link made no mention of transmitting and receiving at any depth. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine. Last edited by ETR3(SS); 05-08-13 at 01:25 AM.

05-06-13, 01:27 PM	#2
J0313 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 887 Downloads: 1823 Uploads: 0	How would you change this? If some one could point me in the right direction then I will try it myself and hopefully come up with something.

05-06-13, 02:04 PM	#4
J0313 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 887 Downloads: 1823 Uploads: 0	That really blows. Right now I am in the mission during the Battle of the Phillippine Sea where you run into the big Jap TF. I was going to report the TF but decided against it becouse I was picking up alot of radar signals. Soooo, I just went for the approach and got the Taiho with 4 out of six fish. She went down in about 4 minutes.Anyhow I dont think its going to give me credit for completeing the mission becouse I didnt report the TF.

05-06-13, 02:25 PM	#5
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	yep you might fix it to be able to report but the "what" you report is decided by the game and as steve pointed out the game would forget and report nothing in your report. then again reporting can give your position away "in theory" so you certainly wouldnt want to do it unless you were 100% sure it wasn't friendly or neutral shipping and you can only do that visually I would like to be able to "save" a contact report so I can get out of the area before sending a report and revealing myself to any enemy listening nearby but this too cant be done because of the way the game engine works

05-06-13, 02:56 PM	#6
J0313 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 887 Downloads: 1823 Uploads: 0	That would be to much like real life. Shame on you for even considering that Webster! LOL!!

05-07-13, 07:19 AM	#11
J0313 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 887 Downloads: 1823 Uploads: 0	Dont worry there ETR. Both of those questions are retorical. I already know the answers. YES you can transmit and recieve at radar depth and you can do both when using low frequency radio at periscope depth. Check out this site if you dont believe me. http://www.ka8vit.com/subops/subop4.htm

05-17-13, 10:47 PM	#13
J0313 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 887 Downloads: 1823 Uploads: 0	Gee, were you a submariner 60 years ago? Didnt think so. Dont really care what your rate is and I happen to know that they could transmit and recieve at radar depth. So take a hike. Also take a closer look at the shears in the external diagram. Notice the DF loop and the radio antenna, both of which would be well out of the water at radar depth.

05-17-13, 11:31 PM	#14
Redmane Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Somewhere in the Pacific Posts: 113 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Actually... Really, I'm gonna have to go with ETR3 on this one. Got curious about this and checked out that link, and ETR3 is correct, the fellow who wrote that makes no mention at all regarding the capabilities of the equipment to receive or transmit while submerged at any depth. Here's another link that sort of covers the subject, and explains exactly why a submerged boat would not be able to transmit at all on any frequency, but could recieve a VLF (very low frequency) signal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communi...ith_submarines __________________ REDMANE Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bullet-proof. -V