UK cops make first arrests for 'hate crime' against emo sub-culture

[eddie]

I imagine there will be more arrests in the future, sadly. Not exactly sure what this "emo" sub-culture is all about, other then they have a "goth" look to themselves. Sad to hear that a 20 year old girl was kicked and stomped to death for having a goth look back in 2007.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...mo-sub-culture

Mean while back in Iraq, if you are caught running around with this "emo" look, they stone you to death!

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...o-clothes?lite

[Herr-Berbunch]

About time, maybe this would have stopped all the sick jokes when Rod Hull fell off the roof.

[Suvs]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

About time, maybe this would have stopped all the sick jokes when Rod Hull fell off the roof.

This is possibly the best one-liner i've ever seen on this forum, Bravo!

[Herr-Berbunch]

Thank you, I'm here all week.

It is quite a serious subject though but dont know if I'd list it alongside other 'hate' crimes.

[eddie]

Have people who are in this emo group been violent? Or is it just an alternative life style? Like I said, don't know much about them.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by eddie

Have people who are in this emo group been violent? Or is it just an alternative life style? Like I said, don't know much about them.

Not generally. Emo's are generally more likely to hurt themselves than to hurt others due to a sense of low self-esteem, however like all genres there are those who are not quite within it, and may perhaps seek to hurt others in vengence for their situation.

It's hard to categorise Emos because there are a lot of similarities with parts of the Goth genre and the two are often mistaken for each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo

When it boils down to it though, it depends on the individual, just like any category, you can have 'Happy Goths', and sad 'Jocks' and god alone knows what else. If a person is going to be violent, they'll be violent no matter what they are.


In terms of this law though, it's likely in place because there has been a lot of discrimination and hate directed towards Goths and Emos because they are relatively easy targets because of their differences to the average person, physically and emotionally they are the antithesis to the 'strong tough bad' mentality in society that rules in the early years of ones life, particularly in the inner cities, and...if I'm honest, part of Goth and Emo life has evolved around the hate that has been put upon them, however this does not make it right, nor does it excuse the suffering that some of them have had put upon them, that has, indeed, lead to suicides because of a despair that overwhelms them.

It's the old adage though, people get picked on because they are different to society, be they Goth, Emo, Steampunk, Fat, Geek (although there's a cause to say that in the age of the internet the Geek has undergone a transformation into a more accepted social character) or just not willing to follow the crowd. If you're a little bit different, you stand out, and you get noticed and punished for it. No amount of laws are going to change that, just like bullying will never be eliminated from schools, despite the best attempts of people, the only thing you can do is try to get through it.

[eddie]

Thanks for the info Oberon!

About time, maybe this would have stopped all the sick jokes when Rod Hull fell off the roof.

Those jokes did get a good reception.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Those jokes did get a good reception.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Those jokes did get a good reception.

Aha

[JU_88]

I dont get it, arent all unprovoked acts of violence a hate crime? why do some groups need special treatment?

I dont get it, arent all unprovoked acts of violence a hate crime?

Its very simple, if I walk down the street and punch the next person I see with ginger hair the motive is very different from walking down the street and hitting any person on the street.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its very simple, if I walk down the street and punch the next person I see with ginger hair the motive is very different from walking down the street and hitting any person on the street.

Yep, in the first case you're a wanker and in the second you're a jackass

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by JU_88

why do some groups need special treatment?

They would only get special treatment, as you call it because the special people that give out special treatment are...
special people. You can call them all sorts of names. Generally negative ones.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its very simple, if I walk down the street and punch the next person I see with ginger hair the motive is very different from walking down the street and hitting any person on the street.

Or if there wasnt a guy with ginger hair and you were still looking to ruin somebodies day, you might just have to 'randomly' pick on something else, maybe someone shoes / glasses / haircut / face / body language. Should they all be hate crimes too?
I doubt too many of these animals wake up in morning and plots to wage a war on Emos or a Ginger people all day, its far more likey they just go out looking for trouble and pick of the first thing they notice, which in all probability is likley to be something or someone that looks a bit different somehow.

Point is, that to go and abuse Anyone who did you no wrong is an act of hatred, no matter what the assailants 'reasoning' is behind it. Their reasoning isnt even going to be reasonable, because there is no possible justification for such an act, so why should we even care about 'why' they did it?
They did it because they are an A-hole, catagorizing it as something else based on the victims attire/hair/race/gender/culture seems a bit daft, what is it supposed to accomplish exactly? the scentancing is still the same anyway...