TSA

03-20-13, 02:40 AM

http://news.msn.com/us/amputee-marin...curity-check-1
Just wondering, can anyone think of examples where this hasn't been standard practice for decades?

AVGWarhawk · 03-20-13, 08:32 AM

I can not. I can say my dad, at the age of 70, began to use a wheelchair.(two congestive heart failures and silent heart attack) When he would fly everything was inspected. He would have to relinquish the chair for inspection. Once he was pulled from line because he had 3 Bic(cigarette) lighters in his pocket. Whatever the case, it was status quo to have a more than ample inspection of the chair. I do not find it unusual that the TSA took a closer look at this passenger. Yes, I understand he was a Marine. My father was a ER physician. Makes no difference to the TSA. My father was never humiliated by it. More annoyed than anything. However, this makes for "good" news and hopes of inciting a few readers.

Platapus · 03-20-13, 05:41 PM

Did the Marine follow the "Wounded Warrior Accommodation" process?

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-informat...accommodations

There IS a procedure.

mookiemookie · 03-20-13, 05:56 PM

Wonder if this story would be getting the attention it is if he wasn't a veteran and was an amputee because of a car accident or something.

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Did the Marine follow the "Wounded Warrior Accommodation" process?

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-informat...accommodations

There IS a procedure.

My favorite part of that page: "Federal Security Directors are responsible for ensuring that necessary security screening is conducted with empathy and respect, in order to make the overall experience for the Wounded Warrior as simple and trouble-free as possible."

Being a veteran shouldn't be a prerequisite to being treated with dignity and respect.

August · 03-20-13, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Being a veteran shouldn't be a prerequisite to being treated with dignity and respect.

This ^

yubba · 03-20-13, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Wonder if this story would be getting the attention it is if he wasn't a veteran and was an amputee because of a car accident or something.

My favorite part of that page: "Federal Security Directors are responsible for ensuring that necessary security screening is conducted with empathy and respect, in order to make the overall experience for the Wounded Warrior as simple and trouble-free as possible."

Being a veteran shouldn't be a prerequisite to being treated with dignity and respect.

So where does the government get such power to treat anybody without dignity and respect, we are innocent till proven guilty, the last I knew, the TSA couldn't catch a cold let alone a terrorist. I can't believe you said that, maybe if he was an illegal immagrant you would be more outraged.

mookiemookie · 03-20-13, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba

So where does the government get such power to treat anybody without dignity and respect, we are innocent till proven guilty, the last I knew, the TSA couldn't catch a cold let alone a terrorist. I can't believe you said that, maybe if he was an illegal immagrant you would be more outraged.

I think you completely missed my point. I will repeat, using clear language and small words: The TSA should be treating EVERYONE with dignity and respect.

August · 03-20-13, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I think you completely missed my point. I will repeat, using clear language and small words: The TSA should be treating EVERYONE with dignity and respect.

Managing to be condescending while advocating for dignity and respect is some serious mental gymnastics Mookie. Don't sprain your brain there Brother!

yubba · 03-20-13, 09:23 PM

Now that, we got that cleared up, I'm sorry, that just didn't sound right, I got an excuse I'm a Marine it hasn't been a good week for us, I got gas and I'm a little moody, I got hit by a mail truck a year ago, I'm sober,, and we all can agree that government agencies, have no right to treat us, as such, under the constitution, and why do they think they can. It's like the two threads {the gun cops are here and what's wrong with this picture, by yours truely} up about a picture of a kid holding a gun,, the cops , and some smuck from a government agency that can't show any ID or give here name, can conduct a warrentless search,.. I'm with the government, I'm here to step all over your rights, if you don't sit down and shut up we'll,,we'll do what ???? is what was said,, the so called agent ran off.

03-21-13, 12:42 AM

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Being a veteran shouldn't be a prerequisite to being treated with dignity and respect.

It isn't, they get the same normal treatment as anyone else, they just dress it up with extra words so the vets feel special.
Mainly the reason for the extra section in guidelines is because due to the recent fiasco there are a lot more disabled vets out there who are just not used to travelling as a disabled person.
If this person had had prosthetic limbs for 40 years he would have known that all this is pretty normal no matter which country he flies to or from.

Aramike · 03-21-13, 01:02 AM

I'm not sure that I have an opinion on this, but I will ask a simple question: would people have thought we were paranoid checking for box cutters prior to 9/11/01? And, would doing so caused people to invoke the terms "common sense" and "precaution"?

I'm guessing yes.

While I'm not sure if checking a disabled veteran inside and out is a common sense thing, I AM sure that, should a disabled veteran manage to blow up an airplane with concealed explosives, it WILL become a common sense thing.

Again, I'm torn on this one. But the questions this poses are certainly intriguing, and speak to the paradigm shifts caused by hindsight.

August · 03-21-13, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

I'm not sure that I have an opinion on this, but I will ask a simple question: would people have thought we were paranoid checking for box cutters prior to 9/11/01? And, would doing so caused people to invoke the terms "common sense" and "precaution"?

I'm guessing yes.

I'm thinking you guess right, however that was a time when planes weren't hijacked to be used as building missiles. The passengers (hostages) could justifiably believe that as long as they didn't cause the hijackers any trouble then the most that would happen is they'd have an unscheduled side trip to Havana and some exciting stories to tell their grandchildren.

9-11 gave any future hijacking situation a whole new and terrible meaning. I seriously doubt box cutters would be enough to control a plane full of scared passengers anymore.

yubba · 03-21-13, 10:29 AM

I got it, with a good nights sleep, you want to cure the threat of terror in the sky, from some would be's,, TSA can either issue box cutters or tasers to passengers, the constitution wasn't written for our public safety it was written to protect our liberty..And if I had been on top of my game last night I should have had a better response, it should have been a little something like this, oooh, it is a whole different thing when a conservative turns ones words around on them, let's see I've been called a anarchist, a right wing nut job, a neo con, a drunk, accused of threating the president,,have had turn my words turned around,,So the question, is, so how far left of Stalin is your thinking to do such things, at least I admitted my mistake.

03-20-13, 02:40 AM	#1
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	TSA http://news.msn.com/us/amputee-marin...curity-check-1 Just wondering, can anyone think of examples where this hasn't been standard practice for decades?

03-20-13, 05:41 PM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Did the Marine follow the "Wounded Warrior Accommodation" process? http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-informat...accommodations There IS a procedure. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-20-13, 09:23 PM	#9
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	Now that, we got that cleared up, I'm sorry, that just didn't sound right, I got an excuse I'm a Marine it hasn't been a good week for us, I got gas and I'm a little moody, I got hit by a mail truck a year ago, I'm sober,, and we all can agree that government agencies, have no right to treat us, as such, under the constitution, and why do they think they can. It's like the two threads {the gun cops are here and what's wrong with this picture, by yours truely} up about a picture of a kid holding a gun,, the cops , and some smuck from a government agency that can't show any ID or give here name, can conduct a warrentless search,.. I'm with the government, I'm here to step all over your rights, if you don't sit down and shut up we'll,,we'll do what ???? is what was said,, the so called agent ran off. Last edited by yubba; 03-20-13 at 09:34 PM.

03-20-13, 08:32 AM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I can not. I can say my dad, at the age of 70, began to use a wheelchair.(two congestive heart failures and silent heart attack) When he would fly everything was inspected. He would have to relinquish the chair for inspection. Once he was pulled from line because he had 3 Bic(cigarette) lighters in his pocket. Whatever the case, it was status quo to have a more than ample inspection of the chair. I do not find it unusual that the TSA took a closer look at this passenger. Yes, I understand he was a Marine. My father was a ER physician. Makes no difference to the TSA. My father was never humiliated by it. More annoyed than anything. However, this makes for "good" news and hopes of inciting a few readers.

03-21-13, 01:02 AM	#11
Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	I'm not sure that I have an opinion on this, but I will ask a simple question: would people have thought we were paranoid checking for box cutters prior to 9/11/01? And, would doing so caused people to invoke the terms "common sense" and "precaution"? I'm guessing yes. While I'm not sure if checking a disabled veteran inside and out is a common sense thing, I AM sure that, should a disabled veteran manage to blow up an airplane with concealed explosives, it WILL become a common sense thing. Again, I'm torn on this one. But the questions this poses are certainly intriguing, and speak to the paradigm shifts caused by hindsight.

03-21-13, 10:29 AM	#13
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I got it, with a good nights sleep, you want to cure the threat of terror in the sky, from some would be's,, TSA can either issue box cutters or tasers to passengers, the constitution wasn't written for our public safety it was written to protect our liberty..And if I had been on top of my game last night I should have had a better response, it should have been a little something like this, oooh, it is a whole different thing when a conservative turns ones words around on them, let's see I've been called a anarchist, a right wing nut job, a neo con, a drunk, accused of threating the president,,have had turn my words turned around,,So the question, is, so how far left of Stalin is your thinking to do such things, at least I admitted my mistake.