Why no 'I'?

u crank · 02-03-13, 01:41 PM

I have just recently noticed that on the Kriegsmarine grid square map there is no second letter I. There is AH then AJ. DH then DJ.

Any one know why?

Red October1984 · 02-03-13, 01:44 PM

Whoa...

02-03-13, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

I have just recently noticed that on the Kriegsmarine grid square map there is no second letter I. There is AH then AJ. DH then DJ.

Any one know why?

Could you please stop smoking weed before the patrol please

HundertzehnGustav · 02-03-13, 02:00 PM

many armies exclude the I when it can be confused with an 1.
same for O and 0...

u crank · 02-03-13, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Troublous_Haze

Could you please stop smoking weed before the patrol please

I need some thing to calm my nerves.

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

many armies exclude the I when it can be confused with an 1.
same for O and 0...

Good point but.. there are O's on the map.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-03-13, 04:20 PM

i said many. i have no proof that the kriegsmarine did it because of that specific reason...

Sailor Steve · 02-03-13, 05:46 PM

The KM grid map has no 'I', not because it can be confused with '1', but because it can be confused with 'J'. Same with the US Air Force when giving sub-variant letters to aircraft.

Oddly, though the Royal Navy had both 'J' and 'I' class destroyers in WW2, in WW1 there was no 'J' class, for the same reason.

u crank · 02-03-13, 06:40 PM

Thank you Steve. Good to know.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-04-13, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The KM grid map has no 'I', not because it can be confused with '1', but because it can be confused with 'J'. Same with the US Air Force when giving sub-variant letters to aircraft.

Oddly, though the Royal Navy had both 'J' and 'I' class destroyers in WW2, in WW1 there was no 'J' class, for the same reason.

? Okay makes sense!
But!
I thought there was a F-4J?
Weird...
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F-4#F-4J

ah well... its not such a strict thing i guess...

Sailor Steve · 02-04-13, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

?I thought there was a F-4J?
Weird...

There was an F-4J. There was no F-4I.

Likewise in WW2 there was a P-38J, but no P-38I.

Gustav Schiebert · 02-04-13, 01:33 PM

Further to Sailor Steve's answer - might be due to the fact there are no number 1s on typewriters, you use lower case 'L's instead. So lower case 'L' is reserved for number 1, and all KTBs were typed up on typewriters on return to base.

Combine that with the fact that most military telegraph printers of the day printed in lower case (in order to differenciate between 'o' for Oscar and the number 0), so there's no way of differenciating between a '1' and an 'L'.

Don't know that for a fact, just those two seperate bits of trivia (I use a typewriter at work oddly enough) might also be contributing factors in this typographical conundrum.

02-03-13, 01:41 PM	#1
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,744 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Why no 'I'? I have just recently noticed that on the Kriegsmarine grid square map there is no second letter I. There is AH then AJ. DH then DJ. Any one know why? __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

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Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Whoa... __________________

02-03-13, 02:00 PM	#4
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	many armies exclude the I when it can be confused with an 1. same for O and 0... __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

02-03-13, 04:20 PM	#6
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	i said many. i have no proof that the kriegsmarine did it because of that specific reason... __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

02-03-13, 05:46 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The KM grid map has no 'I', not because it can be confused with '1', but because it can be confused with 'J'. Same with the US Air Force when giving sub-variant letters to aircraft. Oddly, though the Royal Navy had both 'J' and 'I' class destroyers in WW2, in WW1 there was no 'J' class, for the same reason. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-03-13, 06:40 PM	#8
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,744 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Thank you Steve. Good to know. __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

02-04-13, 01:33 PM	#11
Gustav Schiebert Sparky Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: AM52 Posts: 151 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Further to Sailor Steve's answer - might be due to the fact there are no number 1s on typewriters, you use lower case 'L's instead. So lower case 'L' is reserved for number 1, and all KTBs were typed up on typewriters on return to base. Combine that with the fact that most military telegraph printers of the day printed in lower case (in order to differenciate between 'o' for Oscar and the number 0), so there's no way of differenciating between a '1' and an 'L'. Don't know that for a fact, just those two seperate bits of trivia (I use a typewriter at work oddly enough) might also be contributing factors in this typographical conundrum. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] GWX 3 + OLC Gold + 100% Realism + Commander "Attack! Always attack!"