And the shootings continue....

[eddie]

This time police arrived in time at this hospital before he could do a lot of damage, and took him out thankfully! Is there something in the water that is setting these troubled people off?

http://news.msn.com/us/police-kill-g...t-ala-hospital

[Stealhead]

I am telling you things have gone too far all this is going to effect the gun laws in the US enough people are going to get feed up.I read a report that there has been a massive spike in donations to anti gun and anti gun violence groups they usually see a spike after an incident but never on the scale seen now. The NRA is a massive lobby which is how it gets what it wants if the anti gun lobbies get enough money they will have much more clout.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I am telling you things have gone too far all this is going to effect the gun laws in the US enough people are going to get feed up.I read a report that there has been a massive spike in donations to anti gun and anti gun violence groups they usually see a spike after an incident but never on the scale seen now. The NRA is a massive lobby which is how it gets what it wants if the anti gun lobbies get enough money they will have much more clout.

Just remember that the NRA is "massive" because it has a massive number of supporters. Politicians aren't scared by money. The Democrats spend far more money these days than anyone so they can hardly claim that enemy politicians are "bought" by the NRA without admitting they're just as bought by the anti-gunners.

What they are scared of is the loss of votes that support of anti-gun legislation will bring and that you can't legislate your way around.

If the Democrats are truly interested in preventing future such tragedies then they should be figuring out why our society is creating these monsters. Guns did not make this maniac, society did, WE did. WE had better figure out how to stop it or regardless of what ever laws we pass we will continue to see more of these tragedies.

[Oberon]

The date might not be helping...

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The date might not be helping...

You mean like because the world is supposed to end in a few days anyways so why not spend it creating mayhem?

[eddie]

Well August, we better figure it out quick, because they just arrested this kid in Oklahoma for plotting an attack on a high school. These people are coming out of the woodwork!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...id=msnhp&pos=4

[Stealhead]

All it takes is one incident that is bad enough Australasia once had gun laws very similar to the US and one incident was all it took to get enough people in support of a drastic change in the gun laws in that country.

The NRA does have a lot of members I am aware of this but I highly doubt there anywhere near as many staunch anti-gun group members as there are in the NRA alot of people are middle ground about firearms in the US and events like these may make them decide to take action.

That is not necessarily the best answer but that is how people tend to react to things.Society does not necessarily create an ill person they can be born that way and no matter what they experience they might do something extremely violent there is really not very much that can be done about that but people will want to do something about it find something to blame some sort of fix even if it does not solve the problem.Spree killers mass murders "running amok" is nothing new it has happened since the dawn of our existence no matter the society good or bad it happens it cant really be avoided.

Just remember that the NRA is "massive" because it has a massive number of supporters.

If it has such massive support why were so many of the candidates it endorsed in the elections kicked into touch?
Face it the NRA contains too many nuts and gets driven by the extremists just like the anti gun nuts do, even Bush resigned his NRA membership despite La Pierre apologising for the organisation calling the US government nazi thugs.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by August

Just remember that the NRA is "massive" because it has a massive number of supporters. Politicians aren't scared by money. The Democrats spend far more money these days than anyone so they can hardly claim that enemy politicians are "bought" by the NRA without admitting they're just as bought by the anti-gunners.

What they are scared of is the loss of votes that support of anti-gun legislation will bring and that you can't legislate your way around.

If the Democrats are truly interested in preventing future such tragedies then they should be figuring out why our society is creating these monsters. Guns did not make this maniac, society did, WE did. WE had better figure out how to stop it or regardless of what ever laws we pass we will continue to see more of these tragedies.

We live in a violent culture today. I think Hollywood has more impact than guns. The average kid watches 1000's of brutal murders every year on TV. Don't get me wrong, I like my action flicks, but I also grew up in the period where being the good guy was the thing to do. Hollywood once promoted a clear good vs. bad image. I see a lot of liberal actors promoting gun control, then they make the most violent movies with guns, lil hypocritical to me.

People are talking get rid of guns, but watch gun sales increase 1000% over the next few months.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Don't get me wrong, I like my action flicks, but I also grew up in the period where being the good guy was the thing to do.

Yeah, and Matt Dillon solved most of his problems with guns. The Cartwright boys did their fair share of gun play too. There was the Lone Ranger firing his Peacemaker from horseback at the start of every episode. And, of course there were The Rifleman, for whom use of the ubiquitous rifle was the solution to every problem, and Combat! that featured lots and lots of, well, combat. The list goes on.

Frankly, television is no more violent than it was in the past. All that has changed is the amount realism show as the aftermath of violence.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yeah, and Matt Dillon solved most of his problems with guns. The Cartwright boys did their fair share of gun play too. There was the Lone Ranger firing his Peacemaker from horseback at the start of every episode. And, of course there were The Rifleman, for whom use of the ubiquitous rifle was the solution to every problem, and Combat! that featured lots and lots of, well, combat. The list goes on.

Frankly, television is no more violent than it was in the past. All that has changed is the amount realism show as the aftermath of violence.

Yea, but the story line was good vs. bad, the white hat vs the black hat, and good won. Today the villian is admired, the violence is bloody gore, not cowboys shooting cap guns at each other.

[Biggles]

These kind of things often happens. One event triggers or encourages another.

Same goes for suicides. In the Stockholm subway, there's now and then a poor bugger who decides to end it all and jump in front of a train. When it happens, it obviously causes stops in the traffic, but the real reason is never given. It's always just "technical problems" or something alike. It's psychological. One does it, and others think "heck, why not?"

I personally think the American society is way too relaxed about weapons, but then I'm from Sweden where it's very rare to own one, so I guess I'm not what one would call a "neutral" speaker.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Yea, but the story line was good vs. bad, the white hat vs the black hat, and good won.

The message was still the same. Somebody wrongs somebody, you shoot 'em dead.

Today the villian is admired, the violence is bloody gore, not cowboys shooting cap guns at each other.

I think you'd be hard pressed to say that these cop shows admire the victims. Also the increased gore, to me, is a sign of the consequences of such violence, as contrasted with the clean action of those westerns. There, all you do is pull the trigger and the problems goes away all neat and tidy without any mess or consequence.

[Onkel Neal]

I dunno, but the crazy has been world wide for some time. And on and on, so sad.

And on....

And wow, do you remember this?

The Daegu subway fire was a mass murder on February 18, 2003 which killed at least 198 people and injured at least 147. An arsonist set fire to a train stopped at the Jungangno Station of the Daegu Metropolitan Subway in Daegu, South Korea. The fire then spread to a second train which had entered the station from the opposite direction a few minutes later.

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

We live in a violent culture today. I think Hollywood has more impact than guns. The average kid watches 1000's of brutal murders every year on TV. Don't get me wrong, I like my action flicks, but I also grew up in the period where being the good guy was the thing to do. Hollywood once promoted a clear good vs. bad image. I see a lot of liberal actors promoting gun control, then they make the most violent movies with guns, lil hypocritical to me.

People are talking get rid of guns, but watch gun sales increase 1000% over the next few months.

I agree. We bathe our children in virtual blood and 3d destruction their entire lives then argue that violent movies and video games play no part when they dress up like their online avatars and act out what they grew up pretending to be.

But it's not just that. We belittle and destroy our religious institutions and claim it's for equality, leaving people without a moral code or compass to follow just because some think a community should have no need for such quaint traditions. Maybe if this monster believed in a hell he wouldn't have been so eager to send himself there. We don't even know our neighbors anymore. In too many cases we couldn't tell if the folks next door were cannibals let alone sane humans. We coddle and over shelter our children, never allowing to them to burn their fingers, or loose a softball game, or learn a lesson the hard way, making them so emotionally weak that they'll commit suicide over a mocking twitter message, or it seems walk into an elementary school and open fire.

We have to start growing people with a skin. We also have to stop creating in our children such a driving desire for fame and recognition that infamy becomes an acceptable alternative if it gets them remembered.