Not Getting a Hit!!!!

rcflyertim · 12-08-12, 03:03 PM

Ok....I admit that I am a newbie. I have played SH3 (vanilla) for 3 days now on normal setting(25% realsim). When I switch to hard (71% realism) I don't get a single hit on a ship. Today...I just learned that the Notepad setting are manual and I have to click each one to set it.

So here is what I did. Started the game and went back to Normal setting and engage a ship on the mission. I did this to get all the Notepad info I could that was done for me. I then restarted the same game but changed the realism to 71%. But I don't understand the attack info. I can get the Range setting OK. (identify the ship and check the box) then use the crosshair to set the height from water line to tallest pert of the ship. But I am having a terrible time with AoB and speed. I am sitting dead in the water facing the ship at 90+/- degrees. When I go to click the Aob it brings up and center ship and a dial. I place the pointer at about 4 degrees stb because that looks like where the ship is headed. I know this is not right by looking at the info I have which says that it should be 69stb. Why is it so?

Speed, I think I jsut need to wait a longer period that 30sec. I am sure I will get a better reading.

So I guess I need to understand Aob better. Not sure were to go for help.

Sailor Steve · 12-08-12, 03:07 PM

AOB (Angle On the Bow) is the angle he sees you at. If you were standing on the bridge of his ship, it's the angle your boat would be at relative to him.

Personally, I've never gotten the hang of it. I have Manual Targeting on because I hate the little triangles, but I keep the Weapons Officer Assistance turned on and let him do the work. I just like that it feels real. I can't really do it.

Gustav Schiebert · 12-08-12, 04:00 PM

I had EXACTLY this problem when I cranked up the realism for the first time a few weeks ago (now I'm a convert). Sailor Steve has explained speed and AOB, and to be honest if you're shooting from the right range (less than 1,000m) you can be as much as 45 degrees out on AOB and 50% out on the speed and still hit.

Check out this thread , lots of helpful Subsimers suggested a gread mod to me which is a bit more realistic and easier to use. Worth a look.

Jimbuna · 12-08-12, 05:17 PM

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!!

Wolfwind · 12-08-12, 06:27 PM

AoB is quite easy to obtain by imagining two lines. Let the first be the diameter line of the target ship,and.second by our sub. Now just stretch them in your brain, until they cross. There is Your angle,sir.

Red October1984 · 12-09-12, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!!

That statement never helped me once.

rcflyertim · 12-09-12, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

AOB (Angle On the Bow) is the angle he sees you at. If you were standing on the bridge of his ship, it's the angle your boat would be at relative to him.

Personally, I've never gotten the hang of it. I have Manual Targeting on because I hate the little triangles, but I keep the Weapons Officer Assistance turned on and let him do the work. I just like that it feels real. I can't really do it.

Why does it appear to me that the direction of travel is 90 degrees from me but the but the Aob wants me to set it at 69 stb? I assume that is his present angle to me. But that doesn't mean what is angle will be when I fire my torpedo. Are the sub computers compensating for that?

benitorios · 12-09-12, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rcflyertim

Why does it appear to me that the direction of travel is 90 degrees from me but the but the Aob wants me to set it at 69 stb? I assume that is his present angle to me. But that doesn't mean what is angle will be when I fire my torpedo. Are the sub computers compensating for that?

The AOB should be the angle at the current time, i.e. as you're observing the target, and not the angle at which it will hit.

Note that for AOB close to 90 degrees, it may indeed appear that you're looking at the target's side whereas in fact you may be as much as 20 degrees away from perpendicular. To help you with that, search for visual cues on the target such as double masts (pairs of masts on each side of the ship): when the masts align, the AOB is 90 degrees. In the absence of double masts, look at the forward face of the superstructure: you won't be at AOB 90 until that disappears from view (in other words, you're looking at it straight from the side).

One last thing: after you manually enter the AOB in the TDC, always remember to switch the TDC back to auto, which will update the AOB value as the target changes bearing.

Sailor Steve · 12-09-12, 11:55 PM

I'm an idiot! (so what else is new?)

Read this. It will help immensely.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=3467

TwoGamers · 12-10-12, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbuna

BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!!

That statement never helped me once.

He told me to be more aggressive and when I was asking for some advice on my first convoy. So I surfaced fired all my eels and shot everyting. 3 neutral American ships sunk. Never took his advice again

12-08-12, 03:03 PM	#1
rcflyertim Seaman Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 34 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	Not Getting a Hit!!!! Ok....I admit that I am a newbie. I have played SH3 (vanilla) for 3 days now on normal setting(25% realsim). When I switch to hard (71% realism) I don't get a single hit on a ship. Today...I just learned that the Notepad setting are manual and I have to click each one to set it. So here is what I did. Started the game and went back to Normal setting and engage a ship on the mission. I did this to get all the Notepad info I could that was done for me. I then restarted the same game but changed the realism to 71%. But I don't understand the attack info. I can get the Range setting OK. (identify the ship and check the box) then use the crosshair to set the height from water line to tallest pert of the ship. But I am having a terrible time with AoB and speed. I am sitting dead in the water facing the ship at 90+/- degrees. When I go to click the Aob it brings up and center ship and a dial. I place the pointer at about 4 degrees stb because that looks like where the ship is headed. I know this is not right by looking at the info I have which says that it should be 69stb. Why is it so? Speed, I think I jsut need to wait a longer period that 30sec. I am sure I will get a better reading. So I guess I need to understand Aob better. Not sure were to go for help.

12-08-12, 03:07 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	AOB (Angle On the Bow) is the angle he sees you at. If you were standing on the bridge of his ship, it's the angle your boat would be at relative to him. Personally, I've never gotten the hang of it. I have Manual Targeting on because I hate the little triangles, but I keep the Weapons Officer Assistance turned on and let him do the work. I just like that it feels real. I can't really do it. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-08-12, 04:00 PM	#3
Gustav Schiebert Sparky Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: AM52 Posts: 151 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I had EXACTLY this problem when I cranked up the realism for the first time a few weeks ago (now I'm a convert). Sailor Steve has explained speed and AOB, and to be honest if you're shooting from the right range (less than 1,000m) you can be as much as 45 degrees out on AOB and 50% out on the speed and still hit. Check out this thread , lots of helpful Subsimers suggested a gread mod to me which is a bit more realistic and easier to use. Worth a look. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] GWX 3 + OLC Gold + 100% Realism + Commander "Attack! Always attack!"

12-08-12, 05:17 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!! __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-09-12, 11:55 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm an idiot! (so what else is new?) Read this. It will help immensely. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=3467 __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-08-12, 06:27 PM	#5
Wolfwind Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 8 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	AoB is quite easy to obtain by imagining two lines. Let the first be the diameter line of the target ship,and.second by our sub. Now just stretch them in your brain, until they cross. There is Your angle,sir.