New SH3 player, loving it! just a few questions

jscharpf · 10-13-12, 11:08 AM

I just purchased SH3 and I have to say I've only made it through the first Navigation lesson and I'm LOVING this game!
LOL I feel like I'm, what 8 years behind lol!

It's great that all you good people did all the hard work, debugging, modding, etc.. for those of us coming around this late.

Anyway, the only other sub sim I played was Aces of the Deep years ago.

So, I purchased SH3 and decided to apply the Living Silent Hunter 5.1 add on. I didn't want to get crazy with add on's yet. I downloaded this as well as GWX(?) but I will try this for a while first.

Anyway I do have a couple of questions:
1) Menu music vs. Gramaphone. I downloaded a bunch of ogg files so I can have some cool old music playing, but it seems that the game menu music never stops. I enjoy listening to the menu music but I would like it to stop once I decide to play the Grammaphone. I don't understand the four symbols that show up, especially the one on the left. There is map looking thing with an arrow.. then what looks like a reverse, then stop, then forward. Where does it explain these buttons? Can I have both the Grammaphone music AND the "dramatic music" that seems to show up when I move around?

2) I'm a beginner but I always like to play sims in "realistic" mode. I decided to set everything to historical 100%, then I changed the following:
External view: I will probably turn this off sooner or later, but I just like to enjoy the cool view occasionally.
Allow assistance (or advice) for the fire control computer thingy lol.
While I enjoy entering my own values and trying to determine the AOB, range, velocity, etc.. with the LH3 addon, it seems the ID manual is a little messed up, so I need assistance ONLY with identifying ships. I will still enter data manually.

What do you think of this? I am taking the lessons now. I'm NOT concerned about having it too difficult and getting my butt handed to me, I just enjoy the simulation and I don't want to run with training wheels.

Any suggestions for a beginner other than just go practice?

Sailor Steve · 10-13-12, 11:26 AM

WELCOME ABOARD!

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Originally Posted by jscharpf

I just purchased SH3 and I have to say I've only made it through the first Navigation lesson and I'm LOVING this game!
LOL I feel like I'm, what 8 years behind lol!

I've had the game since it was new, and I start over every time a new mod I like comes out. I've never progressed beyond 1940. You're not that for behind.

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Anyway, the only other sub sim I played was Aces of the Deep years ago.

And I still play that one as well.

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So, I purchased SH3 and decided to apply the Living Silent Hunter 5.1 add on. I didn't want to get crazy with add on's yet. I downloaded this as well as GWX(?) but I will try this for a while first.

And you made a good choice. GWX provides the most rounded, complete experience, in my opinion anyway, but LSH3 is quite good.

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1) Menu music vs. Gramaphone. I downloaded a bunch of ogg files so I can have some cool old music playing, but it seems that the game menu music never stops. I enjoy listening to the menu music but I would like it to stop once I decide to play the Grammaphone. I don't understand the four symbols that show up, especially the one on the left. There is map looking thing with an arrow.. then what looks like a reverse, then stop, then forward. Where does it explain these buttons? Can I have both the Grammaphone music AND the "dramatic music" that seems to show up when I move around?

I went into the 'Sound' folder and deleted all the mood music. They wanted a "movie" experience, and I wanted a realistic experience. I don't seem to have music following me around in my life, and neither did they.

Just my opinion, of course.

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2) I'm a beginner but I always like to play sims in "realistic" mode. I decided to set everything to historical 100%, then I changed the following:

For the most part they aren't so much "realism" levels as "difficulty" levels. In some ways the game is harder than it was in real life.

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External view: I will probably turn this off sooner or later, but I just like to enjoy the cool view occasionally.

Same here. It is nice to see what you can, and to take pictures of it.

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Allow assistance (or advice) for the fire control computer thingy lol.
While I enjoy entering my own values and trying to determine the AOB, range, velocity, etc.. with the LH3 addon, it seems the ID manual is a little messed up, so I need assistance ONLY with identifying ships. I will still enter data manually.

I suck at advanced math, so I use the WE assistance, but in manual mode. It's a cheat, but if feels better than full auto mode.

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Any suggestions for a beginner other than just go practice?

No. The good thing about a game is that you can "die" and still come back to learn from the experience. Gotta love it.

jscharpf · 10-13-12, 12:11 PM

Thanks for the tips! I will remove the stupid mood music.
When I have to run silent I want to run silent lol!

However, I DO love the menu music

One thing for sure, I would not have made it on a submarine. I get seasick (for real) playing this game lol!

Gerald · 10-13-12, 02:07 PM

Woolfman · 10-13-12, 09:38 PM

That's great, you're gonna enjoy this game! Aces of the Deep...now that was a great game too! I played that for years myself and loved it. I can still remember an underwater escape against a hunter killer group that lasted about ten hours of game play or something close and surviving...I remember it well because in AOD (if my memory serves me well) we couldn't save when we were underwater; so we had to tough it out, right?

Anyways, there's a pretty good crowd here...i'm not part of the welcoming committee but, welcome.

woolfman

Sailor Steve · 10-13-12, 09:52 PM

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...i'm not part of the welcoming committee but, welcome.

There is no "official" committee. You get the badge by spending a lot of time welcoming people.

Vipre · 10-14-12, 03:49 AM

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Anyway I do have a couple of questions:
1) Menu music vs. Gramaphone. I downloaded a bunch of ogg files so I can have some cool old music playing, but it seems that the game menu music never stops. I enjoy listening to the menu music but I would like it to stop once I decide to play the Grammaphone. I don't understand the four symbols that show up, especially the one on the left. There is map looking thing with an arrow.. then what looks like a reverse, then stop, then forward. Where does it explain these buttons? Can I have both the Grammaphone music AND the "dramatic music" that seems to show up when I move around?

"I don't understand the four symbols that show up, especially the one on the left. There is map looking thing with an arrow.. then what looks like a reverse, then stop, then forward."

Those would be "Play", "Previous track", "Stop", and "Next Track".

The "menu music" stops when you click the gramophone's play button and stays off til you click stop. Also there is an option setting that turns the menu/in-game music off leaving only the gramophone as an option. Seems easier to uncheck that than go deleting stuff.

Jimbuna · 10-14-12, 04:09 AM

Welcome to SubSim jscharpf

Red Heat · 10-14-12, 07:07 AM

Welcome to wolfpack...

Sailor Steve · 10-14-12, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vipre

Those would be "Play", "Previous track", "Stop", and "Next Track".

D'OH! I didn't even realize what he was talking about!

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Also there is an option setting that turns the menu/in-game music off leaving only the gramophone as an option. Seems easier to uncheck that than go deleting stuff.

As you say, that option also turns of the Menu music. I've long used the Das Boot Sound Mod, which replaces the Menu music with the sounds from the scene in the movie in which they're walking through the sub pen. I love hearing that scene while I'm getting ready to go on patrol. As for the rest, deleting it only takes fifteen seconds and it's gone forever, which is fine by me.

Vipre · 10-14-12, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

As you say, that option also turns of the Menu music. I've long used the Das Boot Sound Mod, which replaces the Menu music with the sounds from the scene in the movie in which they're walking through the sub pen. I love hearing that scene while I'm getting ready to go on patrol.

Oh good point, I hadn't considered wanting the menu music but not the in-game. Going to look up that Das Boot mod as well.

Sailor Steve · 10-14-12, 04:33 PM

Here is the Main DBSM.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=978

A little fix for a certain sound.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1528

And the Menu sound file.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=2845

u crank · 10-14-12, 07:12 PM

Welcome to SUBSIM jscharpf.

jscharpf · 10-15-12, 10:16 PM

Thanks again guys for the nice welcome(s)!
I've done the Naval Academy and started a career but accidentally deleted it after two missions.. oh well.
I'm starting a new one. I love the early year stuff.. 5 torpedoes lol!!!

So for realism I clicked the maximum (100%) and un-checked three things. Forget the exact names but I allow the map to show the enemy icons (for now)... I use the assistance of my weapons officer to ID ships (until I get used to doing this).. and I leave external view on because I LOVE to just "fly around" the area and watch all the amazing animations going on.
Going through the canal was a blast! So much movement little people driving trucks, doing.. whatever.. I saw one dude get off of his motorcycle and salute an officer!! Also, although it is a cheat I guess, I like raising my view while underwater and just watching the enemy destroyers hunting for me. It's almost like watching a movie.

I do want to ask about the main focus, and that is figuring out how to get better at torpeding (is that a word lol?).

I understand WHAT I have to do, so if I understand the manual correctly, the toughest thing for me is angle on the bow.
What I end up doing now (sort of a handicap I guess) is I go through the procedure but then I jump to the battle map and I just take control of the computer, dial the various buttons to make the green line go where I think it should.. seems like a blatant cheat I know.. but I just don't have confidence in what I'm doing.

And I REALLY want to turn that map off because I find myself completing an entire attack from that map, not even enjoying the visuals.. Does this make sense?

So any pointers (I'll search the forums and google of course) but any tips for beginners... should I turn all that stuff OFF and just do it right?

Identifying an enemy is tough.. but for now I have the red blip on the map!

Anyway.. my wife thinks I'm crazy because I wasted an entire weekend and could not pull myself away from the computer ..

Loving the German music that I downloaded too!

I again want to thank not just the developers, modders, but all of you who played this thing since day 1 and worked with them.. I really feel like a spoiled child coming into his parents inheritance!

Jeff

Vipre · 10-15-12, 11:16 PM

"Also, although it is a cheat I guess, I like raising my view while underwater and just watching the enemy destroyers hunting for me."

Spent time thinking about that one myself and came to the conclusion, for me, that it's only a cheat if you use that information to make decisions. If the decisions are made and "locked" so to speak it's simply enjoying the view.

"the toughest thing for me is angle on the bow."

Hardest part about that for me was learning to remember to think about the angle from the target's perspective. It can only be 0-180 port or starboard and in my opinion 0-5 degrees, 45-135, and 175-180, are all potentially good shots.

IDing gets easier if you remember that button in the Recog. Manual that shows you multiple angles. I'm always forgetting it though.

10-13-12, 11:08 AM	#1
jscharpf Frogman Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 296 Downloads: 325 Uploads: 0	New SH3 player, loving it! just a few questions I just purchased SH3 and I have to say I've only made it through the first Navigation lesson and I'm LOVING this game! LOL I feel like I'm, what 8 years behind lol! It's great that all you good people did all the hard work, debugging, modding, etc.. for those of us coming around this late. Anyway, the only other sub sim I played was Aces of the Deep years ago. So, I purchased SH3 and decided to apply the Living Silent Hunter 5.1 add on. I didn't want to get crazy with add on's yet. I downloaded this as well as GWX(?) but I will try this for a while first. Anyway I do have a couple of questions: 1) Menu music vs. Gramaphone. I downloaded a bunch of ogg files so I can have some cool old music playing, but it seems that the game menu music never stops. I enjoy listening to the menu music but I would like it to stop once I decide to play the Grammaphone. I don't understand the four symbols that show up, especially the one on the left. There is map looking thing with an arrow.. then what looks like a reverse, then stop, then forward. Where does it explain these buttons? Can I have both the Grammaphone music AND the "dramatic music" that seems to show up when I move around? 2) I'm a beginner but I always like to play sims in "realistic" mode. I decided to set everything to historical 100%, then I changed the following: External view: I will probably turn this off sooner or later, but I just like to enjoy the cool view occasionally. Allow assistance (or advice) for the fire control computer thingy lol. While I enjoy entering my own values and trying to determine the AOB, range, velocity, etc.. with the LH3 addon, it seems the ID manual is a little messed up, so I need assistance ONLY with identifying ships. I will still enter data manually. What do you think of this? I am taking the lessons now. I'm NOT concerned about having it too difficult and getting my butt handed to me, I just enjoy the simulation and I don't want to run with training wheels. Any suggestions for a beginner other than just go practice?

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10-13-12, 12:11 PM	#3
jscharpf Frogman Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 296 Downloads: 325 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the tips! I will remove the stupid mood music. When I have to run silent I want to run silent lol! However, I DO love the menu music One thing for sure, I would not have made it on a submarine. I get seasick (for real) playing this game lol!

10-13-12, 09:38 PM	#5
Woolfman Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: On Patrol Posts: 46 Downloads: 264 Uploads: 0	That's great, you're gonna enjoy this game! Aces of the Deep...now that was a great game too! I played that for years myself and loved it. I can still remember an underwater escape against a hunter killer group that lasted about ten hours of game play or something close and surviving...I remember it well because in AOD (if my memory serves me well) we couldn't save when we were underwater; so we had to tough it out, right? Anyways, there's a pretty good crowd here...i'm not part of the welcoming committee but, welcome. woolfman

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10-15-12, 10:16 PM	#14
jscharpf Frogman Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 296 Downloads: 325 Uploads: 0	Thanks again guys for the nice welcome(s)! I've done the Naval Academy and started a career but accidentally deleted it after two missions.. oh well. I'm starting a new one. I love the early year stuff.. 5 torpedoes lol!!! So for realism I clicked the maximum (100%) and un-checked three things. Forget the exact names but I allow the map to show the enemy icons (for now)... I use the assistance of my weapons officer to ID ships (until I get used to doing this).. and I leave external view on because I LOVE to just "fly around" the area and watch all the amazing animations going on. Going through the canal was a blast! So much movement little people driving trucks, doing.. whatever.. I saw one dude get off of his motorcycle and salute an officer!! Also, although it is a cheat I guess, I like raising my view while underwater and just watching the enemy destroyers hunting for me. It's almost like watching a movie. I do want to ask about the main focus, and that is figuring out how to get better at torpeding (is that a word lol?). I understand WHAT I have to do, so if I understand the manual correctly, the toughest thing for me is angle on the bow. What I end up doing now (sort of a handicap I guess) is I go through the procedure but then I jump to the battle map and I just take control of the computer, dial the various buttons to make the green line go where I think it should.. seems like a blatant cheat I know.. but I just don't have confidence in what I'm doing. And I REALLY want to turn that map off because I find myself completing an entire attack from that map, not even enjoying the visuals.. Does this make sense? So any pointers (I'll search the forums and google of course) but any tips for beginners... should I turn all that stuff OFF and just do it right? Identifying an enemy is tough.. but for now I have the red blip on the map! Anyway.. my wife thinks I'm crazy because I wasted an entire weekend and could not pull myself away from the computer .. Loving the German music that I downloaded too! I again want to thank not just the developers, modders, but all of you who played this thing since day 1 and worked with them.. I really feel like a spoiled child coming into his parents inheritance! Jeff

10-15-12, 11:16 PM	#15
Vipre Seaman Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 34 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	"Also, although it is a cheat I guess, I like raising my view while underwater and just watching the enemy destroyers hunting for me." Spent time thinking about that one myself and came to the conclusion, for me, that it's only a cheat if you use that information to make decisions. If the decisions are made and "locked" so to speak it's simply enjoying the view. "the toughest thing for me is angle on the bow." Hardest part about that for me was learning to remember to think about the angle from the target's perspective. It can only be 0-180 port or starboard and in my opinion 0-5 degrees, 45-135, and 175-180, are all potentially good shots. IDing gets easier if you remember that button in the Recog. Manual that shows you multiple angles. I'm always forgetting it though.