Ryanair

Skybird · 09-16-12, 07:30 PM

For the third time in four days a plane by Ryanair has done an emergency landing due to technical problems. Two months ago, Ryanair was in the headlines for having had three airliners in one day emergency-landing in Spain due to fuel shortages. Afterwards it became known that the carrier had written letters to pilots of Ryanair in wich they were called to calculate flightplans without the legally demanded minimums in fuel reserves because such reserves as demanded were not according to the policy of Ryanair.

Ryanair is reported to be in financial turmoil. Which of course is vehemently denied by the management.

6 emergency incidents in just 2 months - that is most likely no random chance anymore.

Time to give some grounding time and have a close look at their balance books and maintenance records, I think. Questioning technical maintenance staff anonymously probably cannot hurt either. Or do they plan to wait with consequences until the first Ryanair plane has fallen out of the sky?

CCIP · 09-16-12, 08:06 PM

Considering the image problems Ryanair has been having and their aggressive denials of everything, their first plane to fall out of the sky will probably be their last at this rate. They wouldn't be able to recover consumer confidence in something like that. Their management culture seems rather toxic - they are very arrogant and bullish on pricing, putting the bottom line ahead of care for their fleet and customers.
It is kind of an ugly side of low-cost airlines in general, but most of them do seem to strike a balance. I certainly can't say the same kind of things about North American low-cost carriers as Ryanair, even if they do have some inherent problems. Ryanair's attitude seems to be notorious almost worldwide, even places where they don't fly.

Ultimately, I wouldn't worry too much. At this rate, their management strategy has to either change, or will run them into the ground. Hopefully not literally. In either case, I do foresee trouble ahead for the European low-cost airline market - the price bar has gone very low and competition has been almost too fierce last few years. Eventually something will have to give. Especially in this economy, I foresee some low-cost services folding in the very near future. AFAIK, this has actually already started.

the_tyrant · 09-16-12, 08:07 PM

Ha, I have been on quite a few budget airlines.
I mean, sure you understand where they are cutting corners, but this is 100% unacceptable.

mind you, I have rode on a few BAD budget airlines, but none of them are as bad as this.

Oberon · 09-16-12, 08:17 PM

This will end badly. Hopefully when it does it will prompt an investigation into how low cost airlines are run.
Unfortunately this will likely mean air fares will rise, but it's swings and aroundabouts.

Herr-Berbunch · 09-17-12, 01:59 AM

Ryanair is the one airline I'd never use, ever. My mate flew for then and I used to joke he had to pay for his own in-flight meals and to board his own flight. He's now on 777s with Emirates out of Dubai.

Shouldn't need an investigation after a crash, all these emergancy landings should be enough.

09-17-12, 02:06 AM

Its Ryanair, you get what you expect.
Think of it as being to airlines what jedward is to music.

Jimbuna · 09-17-12, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its Ryanair, you get what you expect.
Think of it as being to airlines what jedward is to music.

Pretty much sums it up....never been on one and never expect too.

joea · 09-17-12, 05:11 AM

Well been I've been on Easyjet a few times and never had any problems-I've put Ryanair on my "don't fly" list though.

Jimbuna · 09-17-12, 05:25 AM

Used to be suspicious of Easyjet too but having flown on them a few times they appear luxurious when compared to Ryanair.

U570 · 09-17-12, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

luxurious when compared to Ryanair.

I thought anything was luxurious compared to Ryanair

. Even this

Jimbuna · 09-17-12, 06:03 AM

HunterICX · 09-17-12, 06:07 AM

Flew them a couple of times and as Tribe sais...you get what you expect and that's just your basic A to B trip.

Can't really complain as that's what I pretty much need anyway.

HunterICX

Skybird · 09-17-12, 06:49 AM

It's not about luxury standards. It is about security. And in air transportation, security means survival - or not.

Jimbuna · 09-17-12, 06:57 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome on board this Ryanair flight.

In the event of a sudden drop in cabin pressure, masks will drop down from above you. Please insert 5 Euros for oxygen.

Skybird · 09-17-12, 07:06 AM

No masks no more. They were removed - weight reductions. Hold your breath instead.

09-16-12, 07:30 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Ryanair For the third time in four days a plane by Ryanair has done an emergency landing due to technical problems. Two months ago, Ryanair was in the headlines for having had three airliners in one day emergency-landing in Spain due to fuel shortages. Afterwards it became known that the carrier had written letters to pilots of Ryanair in wich they were called to calculate flightplans without the legally demanded minimums in fuel reserves because such reserves as demanded were not according to the policy of Ryanair. Ryanair is reported to be in financial turmoil. Which of course is vehemently denied by the management. 6 emergency incidents in just 2 months - that is most likely no random chance anymore. Time to give some grounding time and have a close look at their balance books and maintenance records, I think. Questioning technical maintenance staff anonymously probably cannot hurt either. Or do they plan to wait with consequences until the first Ryanair plane has fallen out of the sky? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-16-12, 08:06 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Considering the image problems Ryanair has been having and their aggressive denials of everything, their first plane to fall out of the sky will probably be their last at this rate. They wouldn't be able to recover consumer confidence in something like that. Their management culture seems rather toxic - they are very arrogant and bullish on pricing, putting the bottom line ahead of care for their fleet and customers. It is kind of an ugly side of low-cost airlines in general, but most of them do seem to strike a balance. I certainly can't say the same kind of things about North American low-cost carriers as Ryanair, even if they do have some inherent problems. Ryanair's attitude seems to be notorious almost worldwide, even places where they don't fly. Ultimately, I wouldn't worry too much. At this rate, their management strategy has to either change, or will run them into the ground. Hopefully not literally. In either case, I do foresee trouble ahead for the European low-cost airline market - the price bar has gone very low and competition has been almost too fierce last few years. Eventually something will have to give. Especially in this economy, I foresee some low-cost services folding in the very near future. AFAIK, this has actually already started. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

09-16-12, 08:07 PM	#3
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Ha, I have been on quite a few budget airlines. I mean, sure you understand where they are cutting corners, but this is 100% unacceptable. mind you, I have rode on a few BAD budget airlines, but none of them are as bad as this. __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

09-17-12, 01:59 AM	#5
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Ryanair is the one airline I'd never use, ever. My mate flew for then and I used to joke he had to pay for his own in-flight meals and to board his own flight. He's now on 777s with Emirates out of Dubai. Shouldn't need an investigation after a crash, all these emergancy landings should be enough. __________________

09-17-12, 05:25 AM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Used to be suspicious of Easyjet too but having flown on them a few times they appear luxurious when compared to Ryanair. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-16-12, 08:17 PM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	This will end badly. Hopefully when it does it will prompt an investigation into how low cost airlines are run. Unfortunately this will likely mean air fares will rise, but it's swings and aroundabouts.

09-17-12, 02:06 AM	#6
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Its Ryanair, you get what you expect. Think of it as being to airlines what jedward is to music.

09-17-12, 05:11 AM	#8
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Well been I've been on Easyjet a few times and never had any problems-I've put Ryanair on my "don't fly" list though.

09-17-12, 06:03 AM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-17-12, 06:07 AM	#12
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Flew them a couple of times and as Tribe sais...you get what you expect and that's just your basic A to B trip. Can't really complain as that's what I pretty much need anyway. HunterICX __________________

09-17-12, 06:49 AM	#13
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It's not about luxury standards. It is about security. And in air transportation, security means survival - or not. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-17-12, 06:57 AM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome on board this Ryanair flight. In the event of a sudden drop in cabin pressure, masks will drop down from above you. Please insert 5 Euros for oxygen. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-17-12, 07:06 AM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	No masks no more. They were removed - weight reductions. Hold your breath instead. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.