torpedo wakes for aircraft dropped torpedos?

[Bubblehead1980]

A long existing bug that has always driven me nuts is the air dropped torpedos for both sides do not have wakes , so hard to keep track of them, especially if observing a chaotic battle such as Midway etc. Anyone have a fix for this? Would definitely add something to the sim.

Also, wakeless mark 16? as mark 16 was wakeless in RL, someone made a wakeless mark 16 once but the AI still spotted it, suppose one needs to be made like the mark 18 in game? So the AI does not spot it? Not sure how to do this.

IIRC the torpedo bombers were carrying electric torpedo so the game is correct and they shouldn't have wakes but maybe I could be wrong

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Webster

IIRC the torpedo bombers were carrying electric torpedo so the game is correct and they shouldn't have wakes but maybe I could be wrong

Far as I know the Mark 13 air dropped torpedo used by US Navy was not electric and did produce a wake that could be observed...

Japanese air torpedoes also produced wakes from what ive read..

[TorpX]

The USN airdropped torpedo, Mk 13, was steam. AFAIK, so are other nations arial torps. Even if they wanted to make an electric version, the batteries would be heavy and have poor power/weight performance characteristics. Besides, while they might not be able to see the torpedo, they can certainly see the plane that drops it.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by TorpX

The USN airdropped torpedo, Mk 13, was steam. AFAIK, so are other nations arial torps. Even if they wanted to make an electric version, the batteries would be heavy and have poor power/weight performance characteristics. Besides, while they might not be able to see the torpedo, they can certainly see the plane that drops it.

Indeed and that would make a wake less airdropped torpedo a moot point if ever there was one.The only electric airdropped torpedo that I am aware of is the Mk.24 "Fido" and that was a small device (for a torpedo) and had a low top speed and a small warhead.Of course it was used against U-boats that would be in the process of diving or submerged and not be able to out run the "Fido".

The Japanese air torpedoes where kerosene-air powered so they also left a wake.Japanese ship and submarine launched torpedoes kerosene-oxygen powered.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Far as I know the Mark 13 air dropped torpedo used by US Navy was not electric and did produce a wake that could be observed...

Japanese air torpedoes also produced wakes from what ive read..

ok, I remember this being discussed a while back and remembered it wrong

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

The only electric airdropped torpedo that I am aware of is the Mk.24 "Fido" and that was a small device (for a torpedo) and had a low top speed and a small warhead.

I forgot all about the "Fido". I guess I don't think of it as a torpedo.

I read somewhere recently, that the crews that used them (fidos), were not told how they work, or that they were homing torps, only that they were some kind of top secret, fast sinking, depth charge. Seems like they would've had to know how they worked, in order to use them to best advantage.

ok, I remember this being discussed a while back and remembered it wrong

Don't worry about it. My memory isn't always up to snuff, either.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by TorpX

I forgot all about the "Fido". I guess I don't think of it as a torpedo.

I read somewhere recently, that the crews that used them (fidos), were not told how they work, or that they were homing torps, only that they were some kind of top secret, fast sinking, depth charge. Seems like they would've had to know how they worked, in order to use them to best advantage.

Don't worry about it. My memory isn't always up to snuff, either.

I find that hard to believe about the Fido because as you said it had deployment patterns that had to be followed other wise it would not work.So the air crew had to know at least that it was able to follow the sound of the subs screws in the water.They likely did not know exactly how it worked but they knew enough to employ it.

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/


It was classified as an air dropped mine to fool the Axis though fooling anyone who might have been anything other than an aircrew member or aircraft ordnanceman (who would have to know how to maintain them or at least not to damage them). The lay people in the squadron would not find anything interesting about an air dropped mine nothing to flap the gums about and if they did anyone eavesdropping would not be too interested in an air dropped mine they would however be very interested in a homing weapon of any kind and would have reported this with much emphasis.

On this site some place is a library of audio from actually combat that later had someone record sound over to explain at points what was going on.In one of these recordings is the sinking of an IJN submarine via Mk.24 this was in the Atlantic Ocean in the recordings it is fairly clear that the pilots understand the operation of the Fido they also made use of early sonar buoys used these to triangulate the subs location and they then attack with MK.24s and sink it.

Give me an hour or so to find the exact recordings and i will post the link it is very interesting.
EDIT: http://www.hnsa.org/sound/ roughly half way down the page Control F and search for I-52 the entire page is pretty wicked though search for "search problem" it explains how they used the buoys to triangulate the buoy technology entered service about the same time as the Fido surely not a coincidence I suspect.At the top of the page are real sound recordings of an attack on the IJN Kongo by USS Sealion.Enjoy in the words of the TBM pilot "Got that son of a b.....!" still also a little creepy because you are also hearing 60 or so men die.