GWX manual and buoys?

prowler3 · 12-14-11, 09:39 PM

The GWX manual states that if red buoys are on the right (starboard) and green buoys are on the left (port), then that indicates you are leaving port. This goes completely against what I was taught..."Red right, return".

In other words, red on the right, you are returning to port or harbor?

Which is correct?

Gargamel · 12-14-11, 09:43 PM

Red right return, IIRC, that they red buoys are on the right when you are heading back into port (or upstream when on river/waterway?). So leaving port they will be on the left.

You are both correct, but I think you have just misinterpreted the saying.

Much like the often misused saying of "red at night....."

prowler3 · 12-14-11, 09:58 PM

???? We can't both be correct. it's either I'm returning or I'm leaving?

Sailor Steve · 12-14-11, 11:07 PM

When returning to port in Europe the green bouys should be to starboard. "Red right" is a Western Hemisphere thing.
http://www.sailingusa.info/basic_navigation.htm

Gargamel · 12-15-11, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by prowler3

???? We can't both be correct. it's either I'm returning or I'm leaving?

Holy crap your right, I totally misread your post.

Jimbuna · 12-15-11, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by prowler3

The GWX manual states that if red buoys are on the right (starboard) and green buoys are on the left (port), then that indicates you are leaving port. This goes completely against what I was taught..."Red right, return".

In other words, red on the right, you are returning to port or harbor?

Which is correct?

What page number in the manual?

Herr-Berbunch · 12-15-11, 08:29 AM

Page 144.

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Navigation channels in and out of ports are generally marked with red and green buoys, with the red buoys on the port side when entering a harbor (although in some countries it means you are leaving the harbor).

And in specific regard to GWX -

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If you see red buoys to port and green buoys to starboard it means you are entering a port; if you see red buoys on starboard side and green on the port side it means you are leaving port.

So not 'red right, return' - more like 'red to red return' (Your red next to the buoys red = return)

Jimbuna · 12-15-11, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Page 144.

Ah, good....nothing I've written then

In addition to what Steve has posted:

http://www.sailingissues.com/navcourse9.html

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Region A - IALA A covers all of Europe and most of the rest of the world, whereas region B - IALA B covers only the Americas, Japan, the Philippines and Korea.

Pablo · 12-17-11, 01:09 PM

Hi!

More to the point, from the GWX Manual (V3 Gold):

"Buoys in GWX mark navigation channels in and out of Axis-controlled harbors in accordance with the European standards of the World War II era. If you see red buoys to port and green buoys to starboard it means you are entering a port; if you see red buoys on starboard side and green on the port side it means you are leaving port. A yellow buoy warns of a hazard to navigation. These buoys may be equipped with bells or other noise-making devices to help ensure you pay attention to them."

When in doubt, RTFM!

Pablo

Didd · 12-17-11, 03:02 PM

From what I have learnt, strictly speaking it's red to port and green to starboard in the direction of the flood tide, which usually (always?) is when entering a harbour. I do know however that in the menai straights, the buoys swap sides half way as the flood tide comes from both directions...mmmm.

Didd

prowler3 · 12-19-11, 11:52 PM

It's obviously another issue with the difference in how we do things from Europe/Asia to the America's. I was not aware that Europe used the opposite channel marking format. I just assumed (

) that everyone did this the same way. I would have thought that something like this would be standard all over the World? I mean, pick any one and make it worldwide. Why would we introduce this possible confusion to maritime shipping? If there is one area that I always thought should be "universal" in it's rules, it was this. I was obviously wrong.

Gargamel · 12-20-11, 10:45 PM

Just like you'd think we'd all use the same units of measurement, date format, or which sport 'football' actually refers too.

Damn yanks.

I think we went a little overboard with our seperatist stand we made a few hundred years ago.

Sailor Steve · 12-20-11, 10:48 PM

Right side / left side of the road. Left side / right side driver seat. I don't know why it is. It just is.

Gargamel · 12-20-11, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Right side / left side of the road. Left side / right side driver seat. I don't know why it is. It just is.

Aside from the which side of the road....it's because you want the driver to be able to see oncoming traffic better. And because people tend to drift away from whats closest to them while driving. So if the drivers were on the outside, they would tend to drift into the middle more.

prowler3 · 12-21-11, 02:07 AM

Well...which side of the road you drive on or whether you use metric or not are things restricted to your country. International maritime rules, I would think, would adhere to one standard...if for no other reason than maritime shipping is worldwide? But, hey...this isn't the first time I've said "are you kidding me?!"

12-14-11, 09:39 PM	#1
prowler3 XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, for now. Any RED State, ASAP. Posts: 401 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	GWX manual and buoys? The GWX manual states that if red buoys are on the right (starboard) and green buoys are on the left (port), then that indicates you are leaving port. This goes completely against what I was taught..."Red right, return". In other words, red on the right, you are returning to port or harbor? Which is correct?

12-14-11, 09:43 PM	#2
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Red right return, IIRC, that they red buoys are on the right when you are heading back into port (or upstream when on river/waterway?). So leaving port they will be on the left. You are both correct, but I think you have just misinterpreted the saying. Much like the often misused saying of "red at night....." __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

12-14-11, 11:07 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	When returning to port in Europe the green bouys should be to starboard. "Red right" is a Western Hemisphere thing. http://www.sailingusa.info/basic_navigation.htm __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-17-11, 01:09 PM	#9
Pablo Commodore Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Hi! More to the point, from the GWX Manual (V3 Gold): "Buoys in GWX mark navigation channels in and out of Axis-controlled harbors in accordance with the European standards of the World War II era. If you see red buoys to port and green buoys to starboard it means you are entering a port; if you see red buoys on starboard side and green on the port side it means you are leaving port. A yellow buoy warns of a hazard to navigation. These buoys may be equipped with bells or other noise-making devices to help ensure you pay attention to them." When in doubt, RTFM! Pablo __________________ "...far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt, speech before the Hamilton Club, Chicago, April 10, 1899

12-20-11, 10:45 PM	#12
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Just like you'd think we'd all use the same units of measurement, date format, or which sport 'football' actually refers too. Damn yanks. I think we went a little overboard with our seperatist stand we made a few hundred years ago. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

12-14-11, 09:58 PM	#3
prowler3 XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, for now. Any RED State, ASAP. Posts: 401 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	???? We can't both be correct. it's either I'm returning or I'm leaving?

12-17-11, 03:02 PM	#10
Didd Seaman Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Orkney Posts: 33 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	From what I have learnt, strictly speaking it's red to port and green to starboard in the direction of the flood tide, which usually (always?) is when entering a harbour. I do know however that in the menai straights, the buoys swap sides half way as the flood tide comes from both directions...mmmm. Didd

12-19-11, 11:52 PM	#11
prowler3 XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, for now. Any RED State, ASAP. Posts: 401 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	It's obviously another issue with the difference in how we do things from Europe/Asia to the America's. I was not aware that Europe used the opposite channel marking format. I just assumed ( ) that everyone did this the same way. I would have thought that something like this would be standard all over the World? I mean, pick any one and make it worldwide. Why would we introduce this possible confusion to maritime shipping? If there is one area that I always thought should be "universal" in it's rules, it was this. I was obviously wrong.

12-20-11, 10:48 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Right side / left side of the road. Left side / right side driver seat. I don't know why it is. It just is. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-21-11, 02:07 AM	#15
prowler3 XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, for now. Any RED State, ASAP. Posts: 401 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Well...which side of the road you drive on or whether you use metric or not are things restricted to your country. International maritime rules, I would think, would adhere to one standard...if for no other reason than maritime shipping is worldwide? But, hey...this isn't the first time I've said "are you kidding me?!"