Eurozone deal reached without UK

Jimbuna · 12-09-11, 08:13 AM

It looks like the UK are about to become isolated in Europe...time to leave perhaps?

Look at the picture...I'd say Cameron is contemplating head butting Sarkozy

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PM David Cameron has effectively vetoed an EU-wide treaty change to tackle the eurozone crisis, saying it was not in the UK's interests.
Instead a new "accord" setting out tougher budget rules will be drawn up for the eurozone, which all EU states, except the UK, look set to join.
France's Nicolas Sarkozy said the UK PM had made "unacceptable" demands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16104275

Dread Knot · 12-09-11, 08:21 AM

Europe is fast degrading into a rout of individual interests and not a unity. Cameron I believe is acting on GB interests. Good on him for Dunkirking the hell out of there first.

Jimbuna · 12-09-11, 08:24 AM

His dilemma was....he'd be damned at home if he gave away anymore sovereign powers and damned by his european peer group if he used the veto.

All things considered I believe he made the correct decision.

Dread Knot · 12-09-11, 08:34 AM

I notice that the agreement such as it is, had little to say about the staggering mountains of debt and the prospect of zero growth in most of Europe.

Still, it may be enough to goose the markets a bit.

STEED · 12-09-11, 08:58 AM

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Eurozone deal reached without UK

Pardon?

There is no deal as long as one EU member states no then there is no deal. True to say the 23 that have agreed but that's it, agreement only but not official.

Hungary said no and the others are pondering and asking questions.

Cameron has stood up but dose he now have the guts to stand his ground as that Fascist EU will now get the big stick out and smash the UK over the head or try to buy Cameron.

STEED · 12-09-11, 09:00 AM

Side Note: Croatia signs treaty to join EU in middle of 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16106982

If the EU is finished why join it?

Jimbuna · 12-09-11, 09:07 AM

Because I suspect Croatia will get more out than it puts in

Herr-Berbunch · 12-09-11, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Because I suspect Croatia will get more out than it puts in

Ah, just like all the other mainland countries

STEED · 12-09-11, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Because I suspect Croatia will get more out than it puts in

Plain English...

They will be in this country faster than a fart out of a cow's ar$e claiming all the benefits under the sun.

Skybird · 12-09-11, 09:19 AM

Having digested the various essays of German papers' and editors' comments this morning, I see the real troubles of this "deal" yet to come in the next months. The problems with reaching agreements on a variety of details, has been delayed only. While on the surface it looks like a German-French win, I think in fact Germany's Merkel has just willed in to allow more foul compromises, covered with enough chocolade so that the peoplea t home will buy it for the moment.

It is all the foul compromises that I have predicted.

And Britain? Well, bye-bye. It is set to become a second-class player in the EU, and will not get asked about much anymore. That Cameron's only company in his path towards more isolationism is especially Hungary, also is not a compliment. Considering that Britain always posed with claiming to think European but in fact weakening, dividing and blocking Europe at every opportunity since Thatcher'S days at the latest, I cannot imagine that it will seriously be missed. Of course they will all say how sorry they are. What they really think inside their heads, is something different.

The real costs of this "deal" for Germany will emerge not before the details have gotten hammered out for the final treaty. And I fear them already now - there are plenty of poison-traps ahead for the German tax payer.

The legality of this treaty inside a treaty, already gets questioned by law experts. And as usual, public demand and opinions got explicitly violated. The congress dances - the gates stay closed, the windows remain covered. Business as usual in the EU. Hail our new old 23 kings.

And then, Croatia signs, whose economy and administration is heavily complained about for notorious corruption. And this summit should be taken as a signal that the EU has learned something? Imperial overstretch. Everybody working for the EU and every European politician should be commanded to learn the meaning of this term inside out and being able to list the historic examples by memory even when being deep asleep in the middle of the night.

But megalomania seems to be more entertaining.

Oberon · 12-09-11, 10:43 AM

Figured it would happen, we've never been a player in the EU, it's always been France and Germanys show, if it wasn't for the fact that our trade would get poleaxed I'd say why bother staying in the EU, but unfortunately pulling out now would be like pulling up a tree without pulling up the roots as well and expecting it to live. Just ain't gonna happen, not without a small miracle.

Skybird · 12-09-11, 10:56 AM

It seems Hungary has changed its mind also, turning Britain a cold shoulder now, at least that is what some news reports now indicate. That makes Britain's isolation complete.

Herr-Berbunch · 12-09-11, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Look at the picture...I'd say Cameron is contemplating head butting Sarkozy

If he did that then I think even BossMark and STEED would become fans

STEED · 12-09-11, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

It seems Hungary has changed its mind also, turning Britain a cold shoulder now, at least that is what some news reports now indicate. That makes Britain's isolation complete.

In there case a suitcase of money in high places.

STEED · 12-09-11, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Look at the picture...I'd say Cameron is contemplating head butting Sarkozy

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

If he did that then I think even BossMark and STEED would become fans

He should head butt Sarkozy and Merkel.

12-09-11, 08:24 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	His dilemma was....he'd be damned at home if he gave away anymore sovereign powers and damned by his european peer group if he used the veto. All things considered I believe he made the correct decision. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-09-11, 09:00 AM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Side Note: Croatia signs treaty to join EU in middle of 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16106982 If the EU is finished why join it? __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

12-09-11, 09:07 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Because I suspect Croatia will get more out than it puts in __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-09-11, 09:19 AM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,644 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Having digested the various essays of German papers' and editors' comments this morning, I see the real troubles of this "deal" yet to come in the next months. The problems with reaching agreements on a variety of details, has been delayed only. While on the surface it looks like a German-French win, I think in fact Germany's Merkel has just willed in to allow more foul compromises, covered with enough chocolade so that the peoplea t home will buy it for the moment. It is all the foul compromises that I have predicted. And Britain? Well, bye-bye. It is set to become a second-class player in the EU, and will not get asked about much anymore. That Cameron's only company in his path towards more isolationism is especially Hungary, also is not a compliment. Considering that Britain always posed with claiming to think European but in fact weakening, dividing and blocking Europe at every opportunity since Thatcher'S days at the latest, I cannot imagine that it will seriously be missed. Of course they will all say how sorry they are. What they really think inside their heads, is something different. The real costs of this "deal" for Germany will emerge not before the details have gotten hammered out for the final treaty. And I fear them already now - there are plenty of poison-traps ahead for the German tax payer. The legality of this treaty inside a treaty, already gets questioned by law experts. And as usual, public demand and opinions got explicitly violated. The congress dances - the gates stay closed, the windows remain covered. Business as usual in the EU. Hail our new old 23 kings. And then, Croatia signs, whose economy and administration is heavily complained about for notorious corruption. And this summit should be taken as a signal that the EU has learned something? Imperial overstretch. Everybody working for the EU and every European politician should be commanded to learn the meaning of this term inside out and being able to list the historic examples by memory even when being deep asleep in the middle of the night. But megalomania seems to be more entertaining. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-09-11, 10:56 AM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,644 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It seems Hungary has changed its mind also, turning Britain a cold shoulder now, at least that is what some news reports now indicate. That makes Britain's isolation complete. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-09-11, 08:21 AM	#2
Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Europe is fast degrading into a rout of individual interests and not a unity. Cameron I believe is acting on GB interests. Good on him for Dunkirking the hell out of there first.

12-09-11, 08:34 AM	#4
Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I notice that the agreement such as it is, had little to say about the staggering mountains of debt and the prospect of zero growth in most of Europe. Still, it may be enough to goose the markets a bit.

12-09-11, 10:43 AM	#11
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Figured it would happen, we've never been a player in the EU, it's always been France and Germanys show, if it wasn't for the fact that our trade would get poleaxed I'd say why bother staying in the EU, but unfortunately pulling out now would be like pulling up a tree without pulling up the roots as well and expecting it to live. Just ain't gonna happen, not without a small miracle.