New Gaza "flotilla" underway

[Skybird]

German media report that two ships with activists have left a Turkish harbour in a new attempt to breach the blockade of Gaza. the plan was kept secret to prevent early reaction by Israel. The Israeli navy nevertheless has voved to not allow the blockade runner breaching the blockade.

Meanwhile Turkey's neo-ottoman emperor Erdoghan I. visits Germany once again within a short time (on the same day the ships leave harbour, what a coincidence, can you believe it) and has made himself many new friends with his ramblings. Just in September he again voiced threats that he will give any blockade runner military protection by Turkish warships, which he also wants to sent to Cyprus in case EU-member Cyprus dares to explore ressources in the maritime areas around Cyprus. Erdoghan has said that he will also freeze all diplomatic relations with the EU in the coming year when Cyprus according to the normal time table will take over the presidency in the EU.

I think the EU should just slam the door in his face once and forever.

And Erdoghan I. has the nerve to demand just today once again that Germany should support Turkey's bit for EU membership and drop of visa-duty, while threatening military force against Israel and a sovereign EU-memberstate as well as diplomatic sanctions against the whole EU, and being extremely supportive to Palestinian terror organisations.

Berside that he again demanded that Turks in Germany shall be given special status before the law by allowiun g the double citizenship, he called intrgration "assimilation" and said de,manding this integration is a crime against humanity, and he again deamnded thatm Turks in Germany should learn Turkish before they learn German. He also said that the way German authorities have stzarted to raise demands to Turks for adapting and integration and learning the German language comoares to anti-semitism, indicating he meant to link it to the same attitude that led to the holocaust.

By international law regulating naval blockades Israel not only is right to maintain the blockade, but also has the legal obligation to enforce it, with just one exception allowed it's legality would collapse completely - so is the legal situation.

I hope that more Europeans finally, finally start to realise whom they are dealing with when they are oh so sympathetic for Turkish EU-membership. Good will is all nice and well, but if exaggerated and leading to ignorrance of reality, it turns into naivety and even blatant idiocy.

In fact, Turkey should be kicked out of NATO.

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[CaptainMattJ.]

well, as the old saying goes "it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"

But as for his demands for turks in germany, it sounds alot like the illegal immigration problem in the states. the people here dont want to learn english half of the time, and are pushing for completely uncalled for and outrageous citizenship demands and for more and more spanish subtitles and translations so they dont have to learn english while living here. and if we have the "audacity" to tell them no, and to try and deport them as any other country would to an illegal immigrant, they cry racism and demand rights.

[1480]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

well, as the old saying goes "it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"

But as for his demands for turks in germany, it sounds alot like the illegal immigration problem in the states. the people here dont want to learn english half of the time, and are pushing for completely uncalled for and outrageous citizenship demands and for more and more spanish subtitles and translations so they dont have to learn english while living here. and if we have the "audacity" to tell them no, and to try and deport them as any other country would to an illegal immigrant, they cry racism and demand rights.

As for the flotilla, I wish they would blow it right out of the water. Hope Ayers and Dohrn on the boats this time....

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

well, as the old saying goes "it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"

But as for his demands for turks in germany, it sounds alot like the illegal immigration problem in the states. the people here dont want to learn english half of the time, and are pushing for completely uncalled for and outrageous citizenship demands and for more and more spanish subtitles and translations so they dont have to learn english while living here. and if we have the "audacity" to tell them no, and to try and deport them as any other country would to an illegal immigrant, they cry racism and demand rights.

Well I live in California which just so happens to have been part of Mexico for a good while and many people speak Spanish because it was the national language then. Get over it as it's here to stay. You might as well demand that Europeans all start speaking Esperanto.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I think the EU should just slam the door in his face once and forever.

You mean the same EU that is currenly crumbling like a stale cake?
I would not be surprised if Turkey have changed their minds on that one by now.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by JU_88

You mean the same EU that is currenly crumbling like a stale cake?
I would not be surprised if Turkey have changed their minds on that one by now.

Yes, that same EU I mean. So far the EU has not even reacted to Turkey's threats against EU-member Cyprus. It also has not reacted to Turkey's threat to freeze all relations to the EU during the Cypriotic presidency.

This spineless, prideless display makes me think of the EU as dog's vomit. Or greasy slime making big big superbig bubbles.

Yes, that same EU I mean. So far the EU has not even reacted to Turkey's threats against EU-member Cyprus. It also has not reacted to Turkey's threat to freeze all relations to the EU during the Cypriotic presidency.

Wow stop the clocks the EU didn't release a strongly worded statement

Pretty much their same reaction when the Cypriot President said he was going to throw out the EU member occupying part of his island.

This spineless, prideless display makes me think of the EU as dog's vomit.

Yeah the EU should errrrrr...make a threat of some meaningless gesture

[Jimbuna]

I'll start getting concerned if the Turks send warships to accompany and protect said flotilla.

I certainly don't doubt the resolve of the Israelies to enforce the blockade.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I'll start getting concerned if the Turks send warships to accompany and protect said flotilla.

I certainly don't doubt the resolve of the Israelies to enforce the blockade.

I somehow doubt Turkey wants to start a war with Isreal.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by JU_88

I somehow doubt Turkey wants to start a war with Isreal.

Well that is what they may well provoke if they send warships to accompany the flotilla.

How else could they defend it?

[Dowly]

Israel should contact the ship(s) and tell them to piss off. If they ignore, board
the ship(s), but before doing so, contact the ship(s) again and let them know
that if there is any violent resistance, they will be shot.

Or alternatively, they could just ask if they REALLY want to run the blockade,
if the answer is yes = blow the ships up.

Balls to playing nice with these idiots.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Israel should contact the ship(s) and tell them to piss off. If they ignore, board
the ship(s), but before doing so, contact the ship(s) again and let them know
that if there is any violent resistance, they will be shot.

Or alternatively, they could just ask if they REALLY want to run the blockade,
if the answer is yes = blow the ships up.

Balls to playing nice with these idiots.

Could you try to make your views more clear....expand on them a little so others may understand your viewpoint please?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Could you try to make your views more clear....expand on them a little so others may understand your viewpoint please?

Oh shut up, silly.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Oh shut up, silly.

Something along the lines of "SINK EM ALL" perhaps

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Something along the lines of "SINK EM ALL" perhaps

That could work.

But it is rather restrictive isn't it. Hence, I propose "Be more aggressive!".
Gives the IDF more freedom to choose which way they want to get rid of the pesky activists.
I mean, just sinking the ships would get boring after a while I imagine.