SH4 and GWX

19Herr_Rapp86 · 10-21-11, 08:54 PM

Now, I know that the GWX team disbanded before completion of Grey Wolves for SHIV, and they had their very understandable reasons for doing so. But, being a fan of GWX and SHIII I just though I would ask you guys what mods I can put on SHIV to make it similar to GWX on SHIII. Am currently running TMO 2.2 update, and RSRDC TMO V5xxx update.

Sailor Steve · 10-21-11, 09:24 PM

RFB already does a real good job in the graphics department, and TMO is no slouch either. Both have great AI components, so you're pretty much already covered.

GWX4 would have been for u-boats. Operation Monsun covers most of the bases, lacking a lot of the graphics components GWX4 would have contained. It also is less than perfect in the crew management, but overall is still a great mod. Unfortunately the other things that would have been added - realistic harbors, canals and bridges, among other things - are not available for SH4, and at this time it seems unlikely they ever will be.

The more important item - SH3 Commander - has no counterpart in SH4, and that makes me sadder than anything else.

19Herr_Rapp86 · 10-21-11, 10:44 PM

I agree there. SH3 Commander was awesome!!!

Pisces · 10-22-11, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

I agree there. SH3 Commander was awesome!!!

... IS awesome!

19Herr_Rapp86 · 10-22-11, 09:42 AM

Yes!!! Good point. My apologies. IS awesome

Rockin Robbins · 10-22-11, 11:12 AM

Both the RFB crew and Ducimus with TMO think that game play totally trumps graphics eyecandy. Both crews are perfectly willing to dump pretty stuff for better gameplay. The eyecandy ends when it impacts game performance or interferes with AI. So both have a tendency to be a bit minimal on extra graphics.

If you remember, load times for GWX were very long compared to the stock game. The SH4 modding crews really hated that. But they have graphically improved the game with extra targets, environmental goodness and the like. The bottom line is that they did it with a great deal of restraint. And neither Ducimus nor any of the RFB team is a whiz at graphics anyway. The GWX team was lousy with incredible graphics talent.

But there is another alternative, Fall of the Rising Sun, which in my view gives the closest visual impression to the GWX experience. Lurker added a bunch of targets to RSRD as well. I really like FOTRS a lot and you really ought to try it.

You will never get the dark and foreboding experience out of SH4 that you did with SH3, and that's not a GWX thing. SH4 is just too colorful and bright for our taste as warriors and nobody has been able to give it the atmosphere that SH3 has.

You know, SH3 just FEELS like you're in an old sub 70 years ago. SH4 has that bright shiny feeling like you just woke up on a cruise ship. Heck, I still love the game and mostly play with TMO/RSRDC.

19Herr_Rapp86 · 10-22-11, 04:24 PM

I'll have to check out FOTRS. From what I have read its a collection of improved, already existing mods. Everyone that has tried it seems to like it.

irish1958 · 10-24-11, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

I'll have to check out FOTRS. From what I have read its a collection of improved, already existing mods. Everyone that has tried it seems to like it.

Variation is the spice of life.
Rockin Robbins is spot on with his post.
SH4 is for the left brain, and SH3 is for the right brain.
If you are bi-brain, you can do both. If not choose the one that suits you.
I am not sure where SH5 comes in.

Rockin Robbins · 10-24-11, 09:47 AM

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I am not sure where SH5 comes in.

I am. It comes in the garbage.

19Herr_Rapp86 · 10-24-11, 12:10 PM

Well I must be double brained. I've got 2 computers running both at once

Daniel Prates · 10-24-11, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

I am. It comes in the garbage.

Sailor Steve · 10-24-11, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

Well I must be double brained. I've got 2 computers running both at once

Good! That makes up for me. I have half a brain, and just in case you were wondering, I am dangerous.

19Herr_Rapp86 · 10-24-11, 05:53 PM

Sailor Steve · 10-24-11, 06:23 PM

Actually that's not me. I could never be arrogant enough to be a fighter pilot. I was referring to the old insult "If you had half a brain you'd be dangerous!" I always replied "I do have half a brain, and for your information I am dangerous!"

On the other hand, do you know why Top Gun didn't win any awards? Because it was a remake of sorts of the movie that won the very first Oscar for best picture, way back in 1927 - Wings.

magic452 · 10-25-11, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

On the other hand, do you know why Top Gun didn't win any awards? Because it was a remake of sorts of the movie that won the very first Oscar for best picture, way back in 1927 - Wings.

Top Gun also didn't win any awards because it wasn't a very good move.

Magic

10-21-11, 08:54 PM	#1
19Herr_Rapp86 Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ellinwood, Kansas Posts: 260 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	SH4 and GWX Now, I know that the GWX team disbanded before completion of Grey Wolves for SHIV, and they had their very understandable reasons for doing so. But, being a fan of GWX and SHIII I just though I would ask you guys what mods I can put on SHIV to make it similar to GWX on SHIII. Am currently running TMO 2.2 update, and RSRDC TMO V5xxx update. __________________ Kapitanleutnant Rapp, Kommandant U-45

10-21-11, 09:24 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	RFB already does a real good job in the graphics department, and TMO is no slouch either. Both have great AI components, so you're pretty much already covered. GWX4 would have been for u-boats. Operation Monsun covers most of the bases, lacking a lot of the graphics components GWX4 would have contained. It also is less than perfect in the crew management, but overall is still a great mod. Unfortunately the other things that would have been added - realistic harbors, canals and bridges, among other things - are not available for SH4, and at this time it seems unlikely they ever will be. The more important item - SH3 Commander - has no counterpart in SH4, and that makes me sadder than anything else. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-21-11, 10:44 PM	#3
19Herr_Rapp86 Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ellinwood, Kansas Posts: 260 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	I agree there. SH3 Commander was awesome!!! __________________ Kapitanleutnant Rapp, Kommandant U-45

10-22-11, 09:42 AM	#5
19Herr_Rapp86 Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ellinwood, Kansas Posts: 260 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	Yes!!! Good point. My apologies. IS awesome __________________ Kapitanleutnant Rapp, Kommandant U-45

10-22-11, 11:12 AM	#6
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Both the RFB crew and Ducimus with TMO think that game play totally trumps graphics eyecandy. Both crews are perfectly willing to dump pretty stuff for better gameplay. The eyecandy ends when it impacts game performance or interferes with AI. So both have a tendency to be a bit minimal on extra graphics. If you remember, load times for GWX were very long compared to the stock game. The SH4 modding crews really hated that. But they have graphically improved the game with extra targets, environmental goodness and the like. The bottom line is that they did it with a great deal of restraint. And neither Ducimus nor any of the RFB team is a whiz at graphics anyway. The GWX team was lousy with incredible graphics talent. But there is another alternative, Fall of the Rising Sun, which in my view gives the closest visual impression to the GWX experience. Lurker added a bunch of targets to RSRD as well. I really like FOTRS a lot and you really ought to try it. You will never get the dark and foreboding experience out of SH4 that you did with SH3, and that's not a GWX thing. SH4 is just too colorful and bright for our taste as warriors and nobody has been able to give it the atmosphere that SH3 has. You know, SH3 just FEELS like you're in an old sub 70 years ago. SH4 has that bright shiny feeling like you just woke up on a cruise ship. Heck, I still love the game and mostly play with TMO/RSRDC. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

10-22-11, 04:24 PM	#7
19Herr_Rapp86 Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ellinwood, Kansas Posts: 260 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	I'll have to check out FOTRS. From what I have read its a collection of improved, already existing mods. Everyone that has tried it seems to like it. __________________ Kapitanleutnant Rapp, Kommandant U-45

10-24-11, 12:10 PM	#10
19Herr_Rapp86 Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ellinwood, Kansas Posts: 260 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	Well I must be double brained. I've got 2 computers running both at once __________________ Kapitanleutnant Rapp, Kommandant U-45

10-24-11, 05:53 PM	#13
19Herr_Rapp86 Lieutenant Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ellinwood, Kansas Posts: 260 Downloads: 259 Uploads: 0	<iframe width="420" height="315" src=" " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> 13 seconds into it, that's you Sailor Steve __________________ Kapitanleutnant Rapp, Kommandant U-45

10-24-11, 06:23 PM	#14
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Actually that's not me. I could never be arrogant enough to be a fighter pilot. I was referring to the old insult "If you had half a brain you'd be dangerous!" I always replied "I do have half a brain, and for your information I am dangerous!" On the other hand, do you know why Top Gun didn't win any awards? Because it was a remake of sorts of the movie that won the very first Oscar for best picture, way back in 1927 - Wings. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo