Worst Silent Hunter game ever??

The-PurpleOrange · 12-29-11, 11:18 AM

So I recently got this game expecting it to be fairly good since it has been a year since release and there should have been enough time to make patches to fix most of the problems I had heard about.

Instead I get a crap unfinished game,even after patches, that seems like it has been developed with the sole purpose of irritating anyone who tries to play it. For example it took me an hour to work out how to hit a ship with a torpedo with the auto-assist, where before on previous games when I asked the WO to get the solution he would get it and the torpedoes would hit the target I had selected.

I this game however I would get the solution with the TDC off and fire to find I had shot well behind the ship, I when on these forums to find for some reason Ubisoft had decided that it would be a good idea that you have to take the lock off the target before firing otherwise the torpedo will miss, which is different to all the other SH games I have played, WITHOUT MENTIONING THIS ANYWHERE.

Also the external camera and scopes won't turn without me having to drag the mouse which is also different and worse. Why they decided to change it from the arrow keys to this is beyond me.

The explosions also look like something out of a 2001 arcade game from long range - there is a mod to improve this I think but it shouldn't be like that on the highest graphics settings.

It seems to me that they have filled the game with great graphics (except explosions) and ignored whether it works or not. I've seen comments on here saying it is a good game after they patch it or if you get lots of mods.
But to be honest I shouldn't have to install over ten mods to make the game playable it should work from the start and be enjoyable, it shouldn't be up to modders to fix the game. It just has so many bugs and other crap that it is to me unplayable, so much so that with all these mods it still has problems.

This pretty much describes it:

"Silent Hunter 5 has promise, but this buggy and unstable game needs to be sent back to the drydock for some serious refitting." - Gamespot

"As a game, Silent Hunter 5 fails because the bugs and UI render it a chore. As a simulation, it fails because the bugs and UI render it ridiculous and incomplete. As a product, it's just overwhelming disrespectful to this long running series' fans. And finally, as one of the first games to receive Ubisoft's new copy protection, it's an embarrassment" - Eurogamer

I'm back to playing SH3 it seems.

Sailor Steve · 12-29-11, 11:27 AM

If you had bothered to read the 'SH5 Mods Workshop' forum you would have found that there are mods that fix every complaint you have, including making it look and work very much like SH3. All the things you're saying were said many months ago, and were answered. I know that you can't be expected to find and read all that, which is fine, but you might have considered that these complaints have probably been made before and addressed, and asked if there was any way around it.

But from your wording it seems you didn't come here asking for help, but rather just to vent. You might want to remember the old saying, "You'll attract a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar."

Hartmann · 12-29-11, 11:35 AM

Worst game no, only incomplete and aimed to arcade and casual gamer.

But under this external appearance there is a good simulator with a huge potential , the problem is that ubi don´t give enough information about the game files and moders have to discover every thing with trial and error, like IA for example ,and this need a lot of time and other things like units or modelling needs avanced skills in hexadecimal or 3d modeling.

Now with the actual mods is a very good simulator and with the time could be the best in the sh series

fromhell · 12-29-11, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hartmann

Worst game no, only incomplete and aimed to arcade and casual gamer.

But under this external appearance there is a good simulator with a huge potential , the problem is that ubi don´t give enough information about the game files and moders have to discover every thing with trial and error, like IA for example ,and this need a lot of time and other things like units or modelling needs avanced skills in hexadecimal or 3d modeling.

Now with the actual mods is a very good simulator and with the time could be the best in the sh series

very true

USS Drum · 12-29-11, 12:15 PM

Here's it's problems: Released to early, to many bugs, only type VII u-boat, no randomly assigned mission like 3 and 4.

The-PurpleOrange · 12-29-11, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

If you had bothered to read the 'SH5 Mods Workshop' forum you would have found that there are mods that fix every complaint you have, including making it look and work very much like SH3. All the things you're saying were said many months ago, and were answered. I know that you can't be expected to find and read all that, which is fine, but you might have considered that these complaints have probably been made before and addressed, and asked if there was any way around it.

But from your wording it seems you didn't come here asking for help, but rather just to vent. You might want to remember the old saying, "You'll attract a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar."

I looked through the list of all the mods and could not find one to change the cam movement to the arrow keys, which although it seems small is the most irritating thing to me since I'm ocd with games

I was sort of being overly controversial to get more of people opinions though.

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Originally Posted by Hartmann

Worst game no, only incomplete and aimed to arcade and casual gamer.

But under this external appearance there is a good simulator with a huge potential , the problem is that ubi don´t give enough information about the game files and moders have to discover every thing with trial and error, like IA for example ,and this need a lot of time and other things like units or modelling needs avanced skills in hexadecimal or 3d modeling.

Now with the actual mods is a very good simulator and with the time could be the best in the sh series

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Originally Posted by USS Drum

Here's it's problems: Released to early, to many bugs, only type VII u-boat, no randomly assigned mission like 3 and 4.

This is what I think to be honest. Games now days seem to be released to early now in just a shell form and then are fixed later by patches or mods whereas I think they should start off well even if it takes a year longer to make. But if all the things I had were fixed and there was more variety (and a better manual) it could of been a really great game. The same type of thing happened in the first six months of Empire: Total War's release but it was all fixed thankfully. I would get into modding SH but I mod the TW series already so there would be too much to do.

I also dislike how games are now aimed more at the "casual gamer" now rather concentrated on a specific type. I find it lowers the quality of the game experience all round.

Sartoris · 12-29-11, 05:28 PM

Most of the complaints have been dealt with through very good mods, but I'm still having trouble enjoying the stock explosions. As has already been mentioned, they look very bad, and IMO are much worse than the ones in SH4. Is there a mod that fixes this and if so, are there screenshots that show the new modded explosions?

EDIT: That was silly of me, I forgot to google it. Here's the mod I found for anyone that's interested: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=164959&page=5

JimmyS1985 · 12-29-11, 05:59 PM

Before we call the game the worst SH game ever, I think we should give the modding community some due credit for turning an otherwise broken game into one that is immersive and can be played. I added the IRAI mod alone, and that one mod made the game a ton more immersive, the destroyers actually started pinging and using depth charges, before I could sink a capital ship next to them and they wouldn't even break course or be on the look out for my sub.

This is how I would chalk SH5 up. Ubisoft made about 80% of a game and then immediately released it. Then they expected the modding community to take care of all the things broken with the game, hence why it got really ****ty reviews initially. WIth mods the game is pretty fun.

Sailor Steve · 12-29-11, 06:18 PM

And once more, please read the forum rules on language.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq...._item_language

jason210 · 12-29-11, 06:28 PM

I absoluted hated SH5 when it came out. It was the most stupid thing to release a game like that.

But now after the patches and after adding some of the best mods, I find it very immersive and playable. In terms of actually feeling as if you are on a U-boat I think it is the best. And the coastline and harbour graphics actually look real in this version.

I wrote ****ty reviews about SH5 at Amazon and Gamepsot, but since the patches and great mods came out I've revised those reviews.

TheDarkWraith · 12-29-11, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The-PurpleOrange

This is what I think to be honest. Games now days seem to be released to early now in just a shell form and then are fixed later by patches or mods whereas I think they should start off well even if it takes a year longer to make.

It's a shame Blizzard doesn't get into the sim market. They could make a fabulous one based on their reputation of only releasing a game when it's complete. (I'm still waiting on Diablo III!)

troopie · 12-30-11, 01:04 AM

Thank goodness for subsim and its modders eh?

It amazes me that you can go and buy an xbox, buy twenty games for it and not have a problem with any of them, yet, on your P.C. you can pretty much count on having to spend hours researching and tinkering just to get one game working

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With consoles continually getting more and more popular isn't the PC software industry doing itself out of buisness with releases like this one?

The Renegade · 12-30-11, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by troopie

Thank goodness for subsim and its modders eh?

It amazes me that you can go and buy an xbox, buy twenty games for it and not have a problem with any of them, yet, on your P.C. you can pretty much count on having to spend hours researching and tinkering just to get one game working

.

With consoles continually getting more and more popular isn't the PC software industry doing itself out of buisness with releases like this one?

I wanted to respond to this because HOLY bejeezus I couldn't have said it better myself. PC games are unique, you can't get the kinda games we get ANYwhere else, but the crap you've gotta muck through just to play them...wow.

My example. Friend gets Skyrim for Christmas, I've heard it's great and amazing and life-changing, YA know. MY new game to share is IL2-Sturmovik, a WWII flying simulator, one that I've always heard is the best around. And hey, it was on sale on Steam for like $3. ANYwho, I download the game and load it up, aaaand....instantly do this

Sturmovik and Steam hate each other. Sturmovik isn't patched all the way, you have to do it manually. 300mb of more patching. Then you have to edit the .cfg file to get the right resolutions and to manually set ALL the freakin graphics options. THEN you have to bind about 10 more keys to functions that are um, NECESSARY to even get your plane in the air. This is for the STOCK GAME. And it's still buggy.

It's NOT a bad game, in fact it looks great now and plays fine, but with all the HOOPS I had to jump through to play it, hell, I am burnt out on these PC games. Just once I'd like to get a game, put in the disc, and play it without any major problems. That's a HUGE appeal for me. Instead of digging away in files, you can relax and immerse yourself in the world of the game.

But eh. Who am I kidding, I'll still play PC games. But not the ones that make me wanna punt prairie dogs.

**BY THE WAY, Silent Hunter games have always been good to me. And THAT'S all thanks to Mister JScones and his JSGME. Good god that thing works wonders. Not to mention all the modders and teams here who put everything together in relatively simple packages with PLENTY of documentation. Anywho. I'm just frustrated with this damn plane game and I'm realizing I'm more of a sub guy

JimmyS1985 · 12-30-11, 11:31 AM

Hey for IL2 sturmovik to work, u need rudder pedals, a trackIR, a throttle and stick. Ive got an awesome flight sim setup for playing it, but since multiplayer has no time compression, I found there are tons of lulls in the fighting before you get to any action.

Ive got an awesome flight sim setup, $1500 in flight sim hardware and a 1 of 2 in the world flight console.

On the contrary I think being able to custome PC games and mod them is a great trait that PC games have that xbox games do not. I like being able to install new skins and stuff on my PC games, cant really do it on xbox, I like having real cars when I play GT4.

Sartoris · 12-30-11, 05:01 PM

Wow, that's some setup you've got!

What's the monitor you're using and are you pleased with it? And what's that flight console you've got?

12-29-11, 11:18 AM	#1
The-PurpleOrange Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 8 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Worst Silent Hunter game ever?? So I recently got this game expecting it to be fairly good since it has been a year since release and there should have been enough time to make patches to fix most of the problems I had heard about. Instead I get a crap unfinished game,even after patches, that seems like it has been developed with the sole purpose of irritating anyone who tries to play it. For example it took me an hour to work out how to hit a ship with a torpedo with the auto-assist, where before on previous games when I asked the WO to get the solution he would get it and the torpedoes would hit the target I had selected. I this game however I would get the solution with the TDC off and fire to find I had shot well behind the ship, I when on these forums to find for some reason Ubisoft had decided that it would be a good idea that you have to take the lock off the target before firing otherwise the torpedo will miss, which is different to all the other SH games I have played, WITHOUT MENTIONING THIS ANYWHERE. Also the external camera and scopes won't turn without me having to drag the mouse which is also different and worse. Why they decided to change it from the arrow keys to this is beyond me. The explosions also look like something out of a 2001 arcade game from long range - there is a mod to improve this I think but it shouldn't be like that on the highest graphics settings. It seems to me that they have filled the game with great graphics (except explosions) and ignored whether it works or not. I've seen comments on here saying it is a good game after they patch it or if you get lots of mods. But to be honest I shouldn't have to install over ten mods to make the game playable it should work from the start and be enjoyable, it shouldn't be up to modders to fix the game. It just has so many bugs and other crap that it is to me unplayable, so much so that with all these mods it still has problems. This pretty much describes it: "Silent Hunter 5 has promise, but this buggy and unstable game needs to be sent back to the drydock for some serious refitting." - Gamespot "As a game, Silent Hunter 5 fails because the bugs and UI render it a chore. As a simulation, it fails because the bugs and UI render it ridiculous and incomplete. As a product, it's just overwhelming disrespectful to this long running series' fans. And finally, as one of the first games to receive Ubisoft's new copy protection, it's an embarrassment" - Eurogamer I'm back to playing SH3 it seems.

12-29-11, 11:27 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	If you had bothered to read the 'SH5 Mods Workshop' forum you would have found that there are mods that fix every complaint you have, including making it look and work very much like SH3. All the things you're saying were said many months ago, and were answered. I know that you can't be expected to find and read all that, which is fine, but you might have considered that these complaints have probably been made before and addressed, and asked if there was any way around it. But from your wording it seems you didn't come here asking for help, but rather just to vent. You might want to remember the old saying, "You'll attract a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar." __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-29-11, 11:35 AM	#3
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Worst game no, only incomplete and aimed to arcade and casual gamer. But under this external appearance there is a good simulator with a huge potential , the problem is that ubi don´t give enough information about the game files and moders have to discover every thing with trial and error, like IA for example ,and this need a lot of time and other things like units or modelling needs avanced skills in hexadecimal or 3d modeling. Now with the actual mods is a very good simulator and with the time could be the best in the sh series __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

12-29-11, 06:18 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	And once more, please read the forum rules on language. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq...._item_language __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-29-11, 06:28 PM	#10
jason210 Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden / UK Posts: 386 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	I absoluted hated SH5 when it came out. It was the most stupid thing to release a game like that. But now after the patches and after adding some of the best mods, I find it very immersive and playable. In terms of actually feeling as if you are on a U-boat I think it is the best. And the coastline and harbour graphics actually look real in this version. I wrote ****ty reviews about SH5 at Amazon and Gamepsot, but since the patches and great mods came out I've revised those reviews. __________________ Intel Core i9-9900K @ 3.6 GHz nVidia GeForce RTX 2070 32GB memory Windows 10 Pro

12-29-11, 12:15 PM	#5
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Here's it's problems: Released to early, to many bugs, only type VII u-boat, no randomly assigned mission like 3 and 4.

12-29-11, 05:28 PM	#7
Sartoris Captain Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 489 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	Most of the complaints have been dealt with through very good mods, but I'm still having trouble enjoying the stock explosions. As has already been mentioned, they look very bad, and IMO are much worse than the ones in SH4. Is there a mod that fixes this and if so, are there screenshots that show the new modded explosions? EDIT: That was silly of me, I forgot to google it. Here's the mod I found for anyone that's interested: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=164959&page=5

12-29-11, 05:59 PM	#8
JimmyS1985 Mate Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Before we call the game the worst SH game ever, I think we should give the modding community some due credit for turning an otherwise broken game into one that is immersive and can be played. I added the IRAI mod alone, and that one mod made the game a ton more immersive, the destroyers actually started pinging and using depth charges, before I could sink a capital ship next to them and they wouldn't even break course or be on the look out for my sub. This is how I would chalk SH5 up. Ubisoft made about 80% of a game and then immediately released it. Then they expected the modding community to take care of all the things broken with the game, hence why it got really ****ty reviews initially. WIth mods the game is pretty fun.

12-30-11, 01:04 AM	#12
troopie Captain Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oz Posts: 507 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Thank goodness for subsim and its modders eh? It amazes me that you can go and buy an xbox, buy twenty games for it and not have a problem with any of them, yet, on your P.C. you can pretty much count on having to spend hours researching and tinkering just to get one game working. With consoles continually getting more and more popular isn't the PC software industry doing itself out of buisness with releases like this one?

12-30-11, 11:31 AM	#14
JimmyS1985 Mate Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 53 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Hey for IL2 sturmovik to work, u need rudder pedals, a trackIR, a throttle and stick. Ive got an awesome flight sim setup for playing it, but since multiplayer has no time compression, I found there are tons of lulls in the fighting before you get to any action. Ive got an awesome flight sim setup, $1500 in flight sim hardware and a 1 of 2 in the world flight console. On the contrary I think being able to custome PC games and mod them is a great trait that PC games have that xbox games do not. I like being able to install new skins and stuff on my PC games, cant really do it on xbox, I like having real cars when I play GT4. Last edited by JimmyS1985; 12-30-11 at 03:13 PM.

12-30-11, 05:01 PM	#15
Sartoris Captain Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 489 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	Wow, that's some setup you've got! What's the monitor you're using and are you pleased with it? And what's that flight console you've got?