*Video*-Narco Sub Intercepted

Feuer Frei! · 08-02-11, 08:43 PM

Check out this video (VIDEO IN LINK) of the U.S. Coast Guard scrambling to seize this narco-sub with seven tons or $180 million worth of cocaine before the semi submersible sinks after being scuttled. This one was found with the help of a Customs and Border Patrol aircraft, most likely an ex-Navy P-3 Orion subhunter. P-3s operated by both CBP and the U.S. Navy are becoming an increasingly important tool for intercepting maritime drug runners due to the advent of fully submersible narco-subs like this one.
Watch as the crew scrambles off and the vessel sinks in the Caribbean sea off the coast of Honduras. An FBI dive team later recovered the massive shipment of cocaine.

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Stealhead · 08-02-11, 09:00 PM

A show was aired on National Geographic(US) about the drug subs it had a 2011 air date but I am pretty sure they aired the same show a year or so before and added more to it because they (new material not in the older version) showed the first full blown true sub found and not the semi-submersibles this one was like a modern diesel boat it could stay under and even had a snorkel system equipped.The DEA agent said that there is very strong evidence that Russians are helping build and design these newer subs.This thing even had A/C in it! A Colombian naval officer said that it was roughly similar to a WWII era submarine though only diving to about 30 feet but that is all they really need.

The hard part is that they are put together in very rural swamp regions of Pacific Colombia that officials ca not penetrate they have to rely on informants to even find these build sites.

Even if those things are noisy and all they are hard to spot and if you had enough some are going to get through those things are a real problem to say the least.

Link to an article about this new type:http://cgblog.org/2011/02/16/new-typ...b-a-snot-boat/

notice that is has a set of digital cameras for observation much like any modern sub.They look to me to be a lot like a mixture of a good WWII mini-sub and a coastal sub.The one
on the show looked much like this one but they showed the inside it had all you'd need so I ma guessing that article is somewhat speculation as the DEA agent and Colombians where shown in front of an electric motor in the show.

I am going to try and find the show I am talking about on you tube so you guys can see.

Here it is at the end of this clip rather impressive when you consider where it is being built.

a little unnerving when you consider who might put something like this to use.

Growler · 08-03-11, 07:10 AM

Looks as though the Coast Guard's gonna have to start embarking an ASW role again.

Stealhead · 08-03-11, 05:24 PM

Well from what I gather they try to avoid US waters most head for some place along the Mexican coast(depending on where they launched from) and the more basic semi subs they scuttled upon arrival the dope inside is worth much more than the boat.

Now the full blown sub in the DEA and Junglas found that looks more permanent to me I bet they intend to use those for multiple trips suggesting that they are heading for someplace in Mexico farther south. Those cartels are not stupid after all they are not going to take a risk that does have some reward.I would not be surprised if they start using the semi-subs as ploys to pull units away ans allow the big daddy to slip past.Of course the big issue is if they avoid US water all together we have to rely on someone else to spot them more often.My only though is how many are we not even catching at sea or destroying at dock? My guess is many if the Cartels are spending the money on them they must be having enough success with them to be worth the money spent.This is the big unknown of any black market you have no idea how much your efforts are stopping I'd say though to met the very high demand for drugs in the US there must be enough getting through and if you are only making the dope a little harder to get for the end user then really you are allowing the sellers to charge more for it and actually giving them even more profits not less.It is already known that most heroin producers purposefully store a large portion of what they produce to cause the demand to rise if they are actively doing this it implies that more than enough is getting through to the streets and that anti trafficking efforts must not be hurting them too badly.

It seems the only thing we wind up doing is just causing the game to change in the late 1970 and 80's we cracked down then the Colombian cartels changed how they did things and began using upstart Mexican criminal groups to smuggle drugs through Mexico and the Mexicans stepped up the game with their knowledge of the popularity of meth from biker gangs that often made the meth in Mexico and smuggled it back they realized that they could expand massively now they where able to provide three drugs in demand.

If we make the semi-subs and subs become no longer cost effective they will just come up with something else.Some guys on here might get mad when I say this but the US refuses to accept that there are alot of people here that use drugs until you fix the drug abuse problem your just wasting time I love how they send users and dealers to prison where they will still just as easily be able to obtain the same drugs that they did on the street.

Growler · 08-04-11, 07:16 AM

So far, the only real casualties of the so-called "War on Drugs" have been our wallets and our citizens; far more people have died using than have died vending, and far more money has been spent trying to stop something that the users don't want stopped.

Stopping the flow of illegal drugs into the country would have been good COIN training in the 70's and 80's, if we'd had the political will to risk a some unpopularity. Instead, we are learning counterinsurgency the hard way - by bleeding a lot - in full-on, far more warlike wars.

TLAM Strike · 08-04-11, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Growler

Stopping the flow of illegal drugs into the country would have been good COIN training in the 70's and 80's, if we'd had the political will to risk a some unpopularity. Instead, we are learning counterinsurgency the hard way - by bleeding a lot - in full-on, far more warlike wars.

Wasn't there already a major COIN operation going on in the early 1970s somewhere?

Growler · 08-04-11, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Wasn't there already a major COIN operation going on in the early 1970s somewhere?

Is that what that was? I thought it was a defense contractor's live-fire exercise with targets that shot back... You'd have figured we'd have learned something.

TLAM Strike · 08-04-11, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Growler

Is that what that was? I thought it was a defense contractor's live-fire exercise with targets that shot back... You'd have figured we'd have learned something.

We did learn something...

Growler · 08-04-11, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

We did learn something...

So THAT'S what I did wrong in that history class...

08-02-11, 08:43 PM	#1
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Video-Narco Sub Intercepted Check out this video (VIDEO IN LINK) of the U.S. Coast Guard scrambling to seize this narco-sub with seven tons or $180 million worth of cocaine before the semi submersible sinks after being scuttled. This one was found with the help of a Customs and Border Patrol aircraft, most likely an ex-Navy P-3 Orion subhunter. P-3s operated by both CBP and the U.S. Navy are becoming an increasingly important tool for intercepting maritime drug runners due to the advent of fully submersible narco-subs like this one. Watch as the crew scrambles off and the vessel sinks in the Caribbean sea off the coast of Honduras. An FBI dive team later recovered the massive shipment of cocaine. SOURCE __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

08-02-11, 09:00 PM	#2
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	A show was aired on National Geographic(US) about the drug subs it had a 2011 air date but I am pretty sure they aired the same show a year or so before and added more to it because they (new material not in the older version) showed the first full blown true sub found and not the semi-submersibles this one was like a modern diesel boat it could stay under and even had a snorkel system equipped.The DEA agent said that there is very strong evidence that Russians are helping build and design these newer subs.This thing even had A/C in it! A Colombian naval officer said that it was roughly similar to a WWII era submarine though only diving to about 30 feet but that is all they really need. The hard part is that they are put together in very rural swamp regions of Pacific Colombia that officials ca not penetrate they have to rely on informants to even find these build sites. Even if those things are noisy and all they are hard to spot and if you had enough some are going to get through those things are a real problem to say the least. Link to an article about this new type:http://cgblog.org/2011/02/16/new-typ...b-a-snot-boat/ notice that is has a set of digital cameras for observation much like any modern sub.They look to me to be a lot like a mixture of a good WWII mini-sub and a coastal sub.The one on the show looked much like this one but they showed the inside it had all you'd need so I ma guessing that article is somewhat speculation as the DEA agent and Colombians where shown in front of an electric motor in the show. I am going to try and find the show I am talking about on you tube so you guys can see. Here it is at the end of this clip rather impressive when you consider where it is being built. a little unnerving when you consider who might put something like this to use. Last edited by Stealhead; 08-02-11 at 09:11 PM.

08-03-11, 07:10 AM	#3
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Looks as though the Coast Guard's gonna have to start embarking an ASW role again. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

08-03-11, 05:24 PM	#4
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well from what I gather they try to avoid US waters most head for some place along the Mexican coast(depending on where they launched from) and the more basic semi subs they scuttled upon arrival the dope inside is worth much more than the boat. Now the full blown sub in the DEA and Junglas found that looks more permanent to me I bet they intend to use those for multiple trips suggesting that they are heading for someplace in Mexico farther south. Those cartels are not stupid after all they are not going to take a risk that does have some reward.I would not be surprised if they start using the semi-subs as ploys to pull units away ans allow the big daddy to slip past.Of course the big issue is if they avoid US water all together we have to rely on someone else to spot them more often.My only though is how many are we not even catching at sea or destroying at dock? My guess is many if the Cartels are spending the money on them they must be having enough success with them to be worth the money spent.This is the big unknown of any black market you have no idea how much your efforts are stopping I'd say though to met the very high demand for drugs in the US there must be enough getting through and if you are only making the dope a little harder to get for the end user then really you are allowing the sellers to charge more for it and actually giving them even more profits not less.It is already known that most heroin producers purposefully store a large portion of what they produce to cause the demand to rise if they are actively doing this it implies that more than enough is getting through to the streets and that anti trafficking efforts must not be hurting them too badly. It seems the only thing we wind up doing is just causing the game to change in the late 1970 and 80's we cracked down then the Colombian cartels changed how they did things and began using upstart Mexican criminal groups to smuggle drugs through Mexico and the Mexicans stepped up the game with their knowledge of the popularity of meth from biker gangs that often made the meth in Mexico and smuggled it back they realized that they could expand massively now they where able to provide three drugs in demand. If we make the semi-subs and subs become no longer cost effective they will just come up with something else.Some guys on here might get mad when I say this but the US refuses to accept that there are alot of people here that use drugs until you fix the drug abuse problem your just wasting time I love how they send users and dealers to prison where they will still just as easily be able to obtain the same drugs that they did on the street. Last edited by Stealhead; 08-03-11 at 05:44 PM.

08-04-11, 07:16 AM	#5
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	So far, the only real casualties of the so-called "War on Drugs" have been our wallets and our citizens; far more people have died using than have died vending, and far more money has been spent trying to stop something that the users don't want stopped. Stopping the flow of illegal drugs into the country would have been good COIN training in the 70's and 80's, if we'd had the political will to risk a some unpopularity. Instead, we are learning counterinsurgency the hard way - by bleeding a lot - in full-on, far more warlike wars. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.