SH3 U.S. Pacific Sub or Surface Campaign ???

yubba · 06-06-11, 10:24 AM

Finally I got a machine up and running sh3, ending a year of exile from 3 and 4 . I have seen some beautiful mods of Japanese surface ships and was wondering if anyone was working on a U.S. Pacific campaign like Pacific Aces for SH2....???? I got warship mod for SH3 up and running, I like, nice work guys.

Sailor Steve · 06-06-11, 10:55 AM

No. That's what SH4 is for. Not much need to spend countless hours doing making something for SH3 when SH4 already looks and works better.

yubba · 06-06-11, 11:16 AM

yeah I, know but I haven't got a machine running too handle 4.

Gerald · 06-06-11, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No. That's what SH4 is for. Not much need to spend countless hours doing making something for SH3 when SH4 already looks and works better.

"when SH4 already looks and works better".........Is it not admitted, for a matter of taste, and liking

Sailor Steve · 06-06-11, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yubba

yeah I, know but I haven't got a machine running too handle 4.

What are your specs? I'm running a six-year-old hunk of junk and get better results with SH4 than with 3.

yubba · 06-06-11, 12:57 PM

I'm on an old gate way with pent 4 2gig , 512 ram with GeForce FX 5200 it runs sh3 very well after getting the drivers staighten out. Burn my Compac up 2 years ago, got 2 gigs of DRR2 on hand too through into a newer dell that I acquired awhile ago but can't get around Vista admin password, and to top it off I got a dell optiplex 740 that would run sh4, but is missing direct draw on the generic video card. I know download the stuff, not that easy my online acsess is on a community wireless set up so I can't hard wire into the net. What is a waste, is have-ing those great Japanese surface mods and, not be able to sink them.

And thanks for the timely responce

Sailor Steve · 06-06-11, 01:53 PM

I'm also using an old Gateway P4. It originally only had 512mb RAM. I bumped it up to 2gb, then 4gb, and that's when I found out the 32-bit system could only use 2gb.

The best thing I did for this machine was to buy it an ATI 4650, 1gb graphics card. Where before I got maybe 10 fps with everything shut off, I now run it with all the graphics options maxed out, and it loves it. Funny thing is, it still has troubles with SH3 fully maxed. I would have gone with an even better card but my graphics slot is AGP, and the 4650 is the best I could by for that old slot.

Gerald · 06-06-11, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I'm also using an old Gateway P4. It originally only had 512mb RAM. I bumped it up to 2gb, then 4gb, and that's when I found out the 32-bit system could only use 2gb.

The best thing I did for this machine was to buy it an ATI 4650, 1gb graphics card. Where before I got maybe 10 fps with everything shut off, I now run it with all the graphics options maxed out, and it loves it. Funny thing is, it still has troubles with SH3 fully maxed. I would have gone with an even better card but my graphics slot is AGP, and the 4650 is the best I could by for that old slot.

But with that card, it is enough "pretty" far

yubba · 06-06-11, 02:02 PM

I got 4 or 5 e series gateways in different states of running capabilities and a couple of dells.

danzig70 · 06-06-11, 03:40 PM

There are mods that add locationsfrom SH4 into SH3 in the download section. I cant remember the name offhand. Perhaps do an alternative history campaign.

Bakkels · 06-06-11, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I'm also using an old Gateway P4. It originally only had 512mb RAM. I bumped it up to 2gb, then 4gb, and that's when I found out the 32-bit system could only use 2gb.

Seriously??? I've been trying to add more RAM for some time now. Originally had 1Gig, and maybe a year ago bought another 2Gig in two parts, but never got it to work when putting in both extra mem blocks. I've been wondering what the hell was wrong with me or my pc, but now I finally know.... Thanks for that Steve, it was driving me crazy.

However, my system runs on an AMD 64 processor, so if I were to install a 64-bit Windows version I would be able to add more memory? Seems weird to me, because my pc is also about 6 years old. And it seems weird to me they were already making systems that were 64-bit ready back then. So if you could tell me anything about that I"d be very grateful. Sorry for dragging this thread slightly off-topic, but I really wanna find out about this..

Gerald · 06-06-11, 05:11 PM

yubba · 06-06-11, 06:03 PM

However, my system runs on an AMD 64 processor, so if I were to install a 64-bit Windows version I would be able to add more memory? Seems weird to me, because my pc is also about 6 years old. And it seems weird to me they were already making systems that were 64-bit ready back then. So if you could tell me anything about that I"d be very grateful. Sorry for dragging this thread slightly off-topic, but I really wanna find out about this..[/QUOTE] Don't worry about it I might learn something too, I got a AMD 64 Dell but the on board video card is missing direct draw. any suggestions.

Sailor Steve · 06-06-11, 10:16 PM

I'm not sure exactly how the 4gig patch works, but apparently it's needed to make the computer use 4 gigs at the same time. I actually had it at one point, but was told that it doesn't work with 32 bit systems. I'm still waiting to get a new computer (too much other stuff to buy at the moment) so I can't help other than to mention what I've read here. I'm sure someone will see this who actually knows how to install it and make it work.

frau kaleun · 06-07-11, 08:24 AM

Yubba, first off your hardware has to be compatible with the 64-bit OS, as I understand it most recent CPUs can handle either 32- or 64-bit but not sure about older ones.

Windows 64-bit will recognize and use more than 4 gigs of RAM, the 32-bit OS will not; so adding more and more RAM to a 32-bit system doesn't get you anywhere after you pass the point where Windows simply can't "see" any more of it. With the 64-bit OS you can add far more RAM (provided your motherboard supports it, another possible limitation to be aware of) and Windows will see it and use it.

The 4GB patch for the game's SH3.exe file will allow the game to use up to 4 gigs of RAM when it is running, provided you have that much on board and available. Without the patch the game will only use a maximum of 2 gigs of memory, no matter how much you have available and how much Windows recognizes.

Best case scenario is: Windows 64-bit (allows for more usable memory overall), the 4GB patch for the game (allows the game to use more of your usable memory) and enough RAM onboard to give the game a full 4 gigs of it to use when running.

However if you have 4 gigs or less on board, with either 64-bit or 32-bit Windows, you may still benefit from patching the game file since if there IS more than 2 gigs available to the game at any given time the game will be able to make use of it.

Here are some answers to FAQ re 32-bit vs. 64-bit:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...sked-questions

There is a way to see if your current system can run the 64-bit OS, I think it's covered in one of those FAQ answers. There's a little app that looks at your current hardware and tells you whether or not it's compatible.

Also be aware that you can't just "upgrade" from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version, in order to make the switch you have to uninstall Windows or reformat the drive, whatever, and then do a full new "from scratch" install of the new 64-bit OS. You can't just use an "upgrade to Windows 7" package, for instance, and upgrade WinXP 32-bit to Win7 64-bit.

Edit: Also it's important not to confuse limitations on the game's use of memory with limitations on how much memory Windows can see and use.

Unpatched, the game will never use more than 2 gigs of memory no matter what OS you have, how much RAM it will recognize and use, or how much of it is actually plugged into your mobo.

If you apply the 4GB patch to the game's .exe file, it will use up to 4 gigs of memory, provided that much is available. If less is available, it will use less - but the maximum amount it can and will make use of has been doubled. If you have 64-bit Windows and enough RAM on board to leave 4 gigs available to the game when it's running, then the game will use the entire 4 gigs.

With 32-bit Windows, OTOH, your entire system is limited to 4 gigs of RAM, because that's the maximum your operating system will recognize and make use of.

In that situation, use of the 4GB patch for the game may be of some value if you have 4 gigs of RAM on board. The game will not be limited to 2 gigs (because it is patched), but it will be limited to however much of that 4 gig system total is left over after all other needs for memory are met.

06-06-11, 10:24 AM	#1
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	SH3 U.S. Pacific Sub or Surface Campaign ??? Finally I got a machine up and running sh3, ending a year of exile from 3 and 4 . I have seen some beautiful mods of Japanese surface ships and was wondering if anyone was working on a U.S. Pacific campaign like Pacific Aces for SH2....???? I got warship mod for SH3 up and running, I like, nice work guys.

06-06-11, 10:55 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	No. That's what SH4 is for. Not much need to spend countless hours doing making something for SH3 when SH4 already looks and works better. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-06-11, 01:53 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm also using an old Gateway P4. It originally only had 512mb RAM. I bumped it up to 2gb, then 4gb, and that's when I found out the 32-bit system could only use 2gb. The best thing I did for this machine was to buy it an ATI 4650, 1gb graphics card. Where before I got maybe 10 fps with everything shut off, I now run it with all the graphics options maxed out, and it loves it. Funny thing is, it still has troubles with SH3 fully maxed. I would have gone with an even better card but my graphics slot is AGP, and the 4650 is the best I could by for that old slot. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-06-11, 03:40 PM	#10
danzig70 Planesman Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Phoenix Arizona Posts: 195 Downloads: 290 Uploads: 0	There are mods that add locationsfrom SH4 into SH3 in the download section. I cant remember the name offhand. Perhaps do an alternative history campaign. __________________

06-06-11, 05:11 PM	#12
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	__________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

06-06-11, 11:16 AM	#3
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	yeah I, know but I haven't got a machine running too handle 4.

06-06-11, 12:57 PM	#6
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I'm on an old gate way with pent 4 2gig , 512 ram with GeForce FX 5200 it runs sh3 very well after getting the drivers staighten out. Burn my Compac up 2 years ago, got 2 gigs of DRR2 on hand too through into a newer dell that I acquired awhile ago but can't get around Vista admin password, and to top it off I got a dell optiplex 740 that would run sh4, but is missing direct draw on the generic video card. I know download the stuff, not that easy my online acsess is on a community wireless set up so I can't hard wire into the net. What is a waste, is have-ing those great Japanese surface mods and, not be able to sink them. And thanks for the timely responce

06-06-11, 02:02 PM	#9
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I got 4 or 5 e series gateways in different states of running capabilities and a couple of dells.

06-06-11, 06:03 PM	#13
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	However, my system runs on an AMD 64 processor, so if I were to install a 64-bit Windows version I would be able to add more memory? Seems weird to me, because my pc is also about 6 years old. And it seems weird to me they were already making systems that were 64-bit ready back then. So if you could tell me anything about that I"d be very grateful. Sorry for dragging this thread slightly off-topic, but I really wanna find out about this..[/QUOTE] Don't worry about it I might learn something too, I got a AMD 64 Dell but the on board video card is missing direct draw. any suggestions.

06-06-11, 10:16 PM	#14
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm not sure exactly how the 4gig patch works, but apparently it's needed to make the computer use 4 gigs at the same time. I actually had it at one point, but was told that it doesn't work with 32 bit systems. I'm still waiting to get a new computer (too much other stuff to buy at the moment) so I can't help other than to mention what I've read here. I'm sure someone will see this who actually knows how to install it and make it work. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-07-11, 08:24 AM	#15
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Yubba, first off your hardware has to be compatible with the 64-bit OS, as I understand it most recent CPUs can handle either 32- or 64-bit but not sure about older ones. Windows 64-bit will recognize and use more than 4 gigs of RAM, the 32-bit OS will not; so adding more and more RAM to a 32-bit system doesn't get you anywhere after you pass the point where Windows simply can't "see" any more of it. With the 64-bit OS you can add far more RAM (provided your motherboard supports it, another possible limitation to be aware of) and Windows will see it and use it. The 4GB patch for the game's SH3.exe file will allow the game to use up to 4 gigs of RAM when it is running, provided you have that much on board and available. Without the patch the game will only use a maximum of 2 gigs of memory, no matter how much you have available and how much Windows recognizes. Best case scenario is: Windows 64-bit (allows for more usable memory overall), the 4GB patch for the game (allows the game to use more of your usable memory) and enough RAM onboard to give the game a full 4 gigs of it to use when running. However if you have 4 gigs or less on board, with either 64-bit or 32-bit Windows, you may still benefit from patching the game file since if there IS more than 2 gigs available to the game at any given time the game will be able to make use of it. Here are some answers to FAQ re 32-bit vs. 64-bit: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...sked-questions There is a way to see if your current system can run the 64-bit OS, I think it's covered in one of those FAQ answers. There's a little app that looks at your current hardware and tells you whether or not it's compatible. Also be aware that you can't just "upgrade" from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version, in order to make the switch you have to uninstall Windows or reformat the drive, whatever, and then do a full new "from scratch" install of the new 64-bit OS. You can't just use an "upgrade to Windows 7" package, for instance, and upgrade WinXP 32-bit to Win7 64-bit. Edit: Also it's important not to confuse limitations on the game's use of memory with limitations on how much memory Windows can see and use. Unpatched, the game will never use more than 2 gigs of memory no matter what OS you have, how much RAM it will recognize and use, or how much of it is actually plugged into your mobo. If you apply the 4GB patch to the game's .exe file, it will use up to 4 gigs of memory, provided that much is available. If less is available, it will use less - but the maximum amount it can and will make use of has been doubled. If you have 64-bit Windows and enough RAM on board to leave 4 gigs available to the game when it's running, then the game will use the entire 4 gigs. With 32-bit Windows, OTOH, your entire system is limited to 4 gigs of RAM, because that's the maximum your operating system will recognize and make use of. In that situation, use of the 4GB patch for the game may be of some value if you have 4 gigs of RAM on board. The game will not be limited to 2 gigs (because it is patched), but it will be limited to however much of that 4 gig system total is left over after all other needs for memory are met. Last edited by frau kaleun; 06-07-11 at 08:40 AM.