Religion thread #58,934

Torvald Von Mansee · 05-12-11, 02:48 PM

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Russell%27s_Teapot

EDIT: oops...teapont = teapot

dammit...could a mod change it?

Betonov · 05-12-11, 03:31 PM

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The reason organized religion merits outright hostility is that, unlike belief in Russell's teapot, religion is powerful, influential, tax-exempt and systematically passed on to children too young to defend themselves. Children are not compelled to spend their formative years memorizing loony books about teapots. Government-subsidized schools don't exclude children whose parents prefer the wrong shape of teapot. Teapot-believers don't stone teapot-unbelievers, teapot-apostates, teapot-heretics and teapot-blasphemers to death. Mothers don't warn their sons off marrying teapot-shiksas whose parents believe in three teapots rather than one. People who put the milk in first don't kneecap those who put the tea in first.

Good ol' Dawkins

Now, the thread, what's it about, throw me a bone

(considering you have more than 1000 posts, I asume you're not a troll)

August · 05-12-11, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

(considering you have more than 1000 posts, I asume you're not a troll)

Boy do you assume wrong!

Betonov · 05-12-11, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Boy do you assume wrong!

Errare humanum est

Interesting link though

frau kaleun · 05-12-11, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Errare humanum est

Ducimus · 05-12-11, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Now, the thread, what's it about, throw me a bone

My guess is devote christian read something he didn't like, and this thread is his kneejerk reaction. The typo's, combined with the choice of words in the post title leads me to think he was upset, and mashed the post out in a hurry, which would support my theory that this thread was started as an emotional kneejerk reaction to something he read but didn't like.

Glossing down a few posts... and....

/facepalm

Christan's vs atheists boxing match, round 934,345,888, give or take a few thousand rounds of this BS being plastered on internet forums for freaking years. I used to get into these, but nowadays i fallback on the shoes's metaphore and leave it at that.

GoldenRivet · 05-12-11, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Russell%27s_Teapot

EDIT: oops...teapont = teapot

dammit...could a mod change it?

Prepare to be enlightened by the grace of a Christian man.

Click "Edit"

Click "Go Advanced"

Edit the title of the thread.

Click "Save"

Go forth and serve the lord.

now my rebuttal

1. few people speak so frequently about God as Atheists do

2. What difference to the Atheist is it what other people believe?

3. Is any religion that is built around teaching a set of honorable core values all that bad no matter what it uses as examples of good human behavior?

krashkart · 05-12-11, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Go forth and serve the lord.

I'll have my lord served medium rare, with a side of navy beans and cornbread.

MH · 05-12-11, 05:28 PM

Heretics!!!
Behold coffee machine.

razark · 05-12-11, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

1. few people speak so frequently about God as Atheists do

Depends on which ones you're talking to on both sides of the fence.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

2. What difference to the Atheist is it what other people believe?

It makes a difference when religious people use thier position to influence others. Look at Iran or Saudi Arabia or Northern Ireland.

Or Texas. According to the state constitution, a person cannot be elected Governor if that person is an atheist.

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3. Is any religion that is built around teaching a set of honorable core values all that bad no matter what it uses as examples of good human behavior?

It depends on what one considers "honorable core values", and which particular values are taught and ignored.

Sailor Steve · 05-12-11, 05:44 PM

GR's first two statements were adequately answered by Razark. Not being an atheist I try to contain my disagreements to arguments that are obviously fallacious, but the third one I think requires elaboration.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

3. Is any religion that is built around teaching a set of honorable core values all that bad no matter what it uses as examples of good human behavior?

How many religions are actually built around a set of core values? The argument comes when said religions insist not on the values, but on absolute devotion to that which cannot be seen or proven.

DarkFish · 05-12-11, 05:49 PM

I'll have the lord well done please, the raw version makes me puke.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

1. few people speak so frequently about God as Atheists do

do they? my experience is that religious people are the ones that tend to force their ideas upon others.

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2. What difference to the Atheist is it what other people believe?

nothing. so why should it matter to christians what other people adhere to?

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3. Is any religion that is built around teaching a set of honorable core values all that bad no matter what it uses as examples of good human behavior?

those "core values" are the exact same values teached in atheism. The problem is all the religious crap that's teached (or rather, brainwashed) along with it.

razark · 05-12-11, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFish

those "core values" are the exact same values teached in atheism.

Atheism does not have any "values", nor does it "teach" anything. Atheism is not a definition of a belief system or a set of beliefs or an outlook on life, the universe, and everything. Atheism is simply a statement on one single point of belief, namely whether or not any god or gods exist. It says nothing on any other belief or position.

I've seen atheists with all sorts of different values. I've seen liberal ones, conservative ones, ones that just don't care. Some have their own values, some have very traditional values that match very closely to what many theists hold.

MH · 05-12-11, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkFish

those "core values" are the exact same values teached in atheism. The problem is all the religious crap that's teached (or rather, brainwashed) along with it.

Atheism has loads of crap extensions of core values as well the only good thing is that you are more open to choose your views.
Fact is you still can be indoctrinated by atheist education.

Ducimus · 05-12-11, 06:19 PM

Obligatory collage of BS, to go along with the BS:

edit:
decided to scale back a little and just stick with the point i was trying to convey, sans my own personal punch's.

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Obligatory collage of BS, to go along with the BS: edit: decided to scale back a little and just stick with the point i was trying to convey, sans my own personal punch's.