Downing Street shuns flagging of Euro flag

[Skybird]

Shocking!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13321460

In several countries, conservative or right-leaning parties made progress recently that gave the influence on policy-making in their respective countries. While I like the EU-critzicism and self-distancing this indicates, I am not always certain what to think of these parties. I have understood that Wldery ba far is not the extremist and right-winged demagogue Islamophiles and Euro-Lovers try to make him appear as in order to isolate him, in fact it was him bringing a demand into the coalition that increased the rights of homosexuals - against the opposition of the coaltion partner. The true Fins, also demonised over here as a mixture of stupid hillbillies and Neonazis, also seem to not qualify for the description of Nazis at all, but are an expression of the growing holstility towards the EU that people feel. Hungary, I have not made my final opinion on Orban's party. As was discussed in another thread some days ago, on paper the preambel of their new constitution sounds very much okay and aware of Hungary'S own identity. And the Brits, since Thatcher blackmailed Europe to get the Brit-rabate it is clear that for Britain the EU is only an entity which is to be occassionally absued for own interest. Opposing opinion camps that disagree both over the EU and the Islamic movement into Europe, seem to grow in almost all big European countries. Good.

Not waving that flag, may just be symbolic. But I agree with the change of mindset behind it.

[STEED]

That's not a flag that's a big piece of fancy toilet paper.


I would not insult my own arse using that.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Shocking!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13321460

In several countries, conservative or right-leaning parties made progress recently that gave the influence on policy-making in their respective countries. While I like the EU-critzicism and self-distancing this indicates, I am not always certain what to think of these parties. I have understood that Wldery ba far is not the extremist and right-winged demagogue Islamophiles and Euro-Lovers try to make him appear as in order to isolate him, in fact it was him bringing a demand into the coalition that increased the rights of homosexuals - against the opposition of the coaltion partner. The true Fins, also demonised over here as a mixture of stupid hillbillies and Neonazis, also seem to not qualify for the description of Nazis at all, but are an expression of the growing holstility towards the EU that people feel. Hungary, I have not made my final opinion on Orban's party. As was discussed in another thread some days ago, on paper the preambel of their new constitution sounds very much okay and aware of Hungary'S own identity. And the Brits, since Thatcher blackmailed Europe to get the Brit-rabate it is clear that for Britain the EU is only an entity which is to be occassionally absued for own interest. Opposing opinion camps that disagree both over the EU and the Islamic movement into Europe, seem to grow in almost all big European countries. Good.

Not waving that flag, may just be symbolic. But I agree with the change of mindset behind it.

When President Klaus refused he was jumped on instantly, hope the federalists jump at this.
Would be fun to watch if they bully only the smaller or if they are stubid enough to take Britain.

Many are hoping and waiting for the Germans to wake up.
Germany and Sweden are the two countries that Finland aligns itself usually.
With this Euro crisis and lack of democracy Finland is starting to break in half.
I think new elections are very possible within a year, True Finns will be the biggest party if the old parties continue the "European project".

[Happy Times]

True Finns voter have previously usually voted for the Conservatives, Center or Social Democrats, parties that no one can see much difference anymore.
All are comitted to the federal Europe and they have a strong consensus and a political elite that is united over party lines.

True Finns are economically center right and approach every issue from the national perspective and interest, thats what common people expect from their politicians.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Many are hoping and waiting for the Germans to wake up.

Have you no more promising things to wait for?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

That's not a flag that's a big piece of fancy toilet paper.


I would not insult my own arse using that.

Time we got out me thinks

[MH]

It looks like this European experiment is going very miserably.
With all the pressure EU might end up more divided than ever before...needing saving from itself.
Another Utopian experiment?

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Wldery ba far is not the extremist and right-winged demagogue Islamophiles and Euro-Lovers try to make him appear as in order to isolate him

This is a not often heard truth (whoever "Wldery" may be). He's often painted as right wing, while in fact if you look at most of his standpoints, he's actually pretty much on par with left-wing parties. The last time I filled in a voting compass, the SP (Socialist Party) was 1st on the result list, Wilders second.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Time we got out me thinks

[Jimbuna]

I'll text David and Nick with the necessary advice

[STEED]

[magic452]

You know I hope that you all will remember this and a hundred similar threads when you start to bash the good old USA saying that this or that works here in (insert any European country) so it should work in the US. That's hogwash.

The US is far more comparable to the entire EU and we can now see just how much harmony there is there now.

We have been dealing with a verity of different view points and needs, etc for 200+ years, maybe we know a thing or two about how to go about this.
Not saying we have always done a good job all the time, Lord knows we haven't, but we do have some experience with it.

We are not Finland, Germany or England, we're the USA, with the good, the bad and the ugly. But we do have one flag. We also have UBL in the bag as well.

Every time I see a thread like this and than see all of you telling us how we should run our country. I just can't help thinking these things.

Magic

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by magic452

You know I hope that you all will remember this and a hundred similar threads when you start to bash the good old USA saying that this or that works here in (insert any European country) so it should work in the US. That's hogwash.

The US is far more comparable to the entire EU and we can now see just how much harmony there is there now.

Of course we've had our moments of disharmony as well. Sometimes to extremes. No union will ever be perfect.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Of course we've had our moments of disharmony as well. Sometimes to extremes. No union will ever be perfect.

That is the same phase here now, unionists want a strong central goverment others want to defend state rights.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by magic452

You know I hope that you all will remember this and a hundred similar threads when you start to bash the good old USA saying that this or that works here in (insert any European country) so it should work in the US. That's hogwash.

And true for the American global missionising as well! It's not as if the USA does not try and does not claim that it is the best way to live and that all others have to do it in the same way, and have to copy American ideas of how things must be run, you know.

The US is far more comparable to the entire EU and we can now see just how much harmony there is there now.

We have been dealing with a verity of different view points and needs, etc for 200+ years, maybe we know a thing or two about how to go about this.
Not saying we have always done a good job all the time, Lord knows we haven't, but we do have some experience with it.

What you do not have experience is how it is if you must unite not only different cultural habits and regional histories, but also grown, centuries-old national entities/countries. Your historyx has been short and never started on a nationalistic basis like it has grown over centuries in Europe. You for the most are the offsprings of immigrants, almost all of you, anbd people coming to you with few exceptions know that they have to leave their nationalö past they grew up in, behind them. Your civil war does not compare to the wars between european powers, becaue the two camps fought about opinions and laws, not about grown sovereign nations like in Europe.

We are not Finland, Germany or England, we're the USA, with the good, the bad and the ugly. But we do have one flag. We also have UBL in the bag as well.

You said it yourself. You are just one country. We are four dozen countries. Not federal states, but independent nations each with its own unique history and different mentality in people, different rites and habits and languages. The EU and the US - just do not compare.

Just doing it like in the good ol' USA - most of the time does not work in other parts of the world. Like the EU has its faults in it'S claim for global missionising, your country has it'S own faults as well - and the attempt to implement American models in other places: this one is the most prominent one.

On your claim for Ameeican powers, you dominate militarily, but you have started to lack more and more in other fields for whjich to find solutions the military does not help. Power also is financial, and although the Euro is ill, the dollar is even more. Power also is economy, and the GDP for of the EU is bigger than that of the US, something that many Americans comfortably overlook when refering to their claimed global dominant economic role.