Razzle Dazzle camo

Armistead · 10-19-10, 03:05 AM

We've seen some of the wild camo patterns used. It basically started in WW1, one scientist saying the wild lines and camo made it very hard to track speed, but in WW1 very bright bold colors were used, yellow, purples, ect. Haven't seen any colored pictures, guess none exist. We see some of this in WW2, but what about the bold colors. I assume technology outdated the razzle dazzle.

Heres a few SS, didn't know they went that wild and think what it would look like with bright neon colors...whew, confuse any skipper looking in a scope.

The link for more
http://twistedsifter.com/2010/02/raz...le-camouflage/

See if you can guess what happened here for a lil in game razzle dazzle

This is what you saw underwater, finnaly figured out they're bubbles made bu the subs bow wave.

Heres the bow wave, you can see the bubbles are dials.

Dials showed and rotated on the ocean surface

Like the faces in the bow wave

Sailor Steve · 10-19-10, 10:30 AM

Wow, man! Whatever drug that is, I want some!

Here are some color cards showing different WW1 designs.
http://www.risd.edu/dazzle/

Armistead · 10-19-10, 11:58 AM

Well, I'm not exactly sure. I had a big mission I made loaded, but I've played with it a hundred times with no problems. Hours into it, this happened. These SS's barely touch the funny pictures. The flags had pictures of all sailors from the game screen. The only thing I can figure is my video card has been going bad, fan not running and overheating. It was
just throwing me out of the game. Laid up now and can't get another card, so I've got a small fan blowing on the card and was able to play without it overheating. I think with the big load it finally overheated anyway causing this. Thought I was in the twilight zone, couldn't believe how some of this crap displayed.

Some of the other ships actually looked pretty good, like this one.

Jan Kyster · 10-20-10, 02:03 PM

LOL at some of your screens!

But as I've just received my copy of Naval Camouflage 1914-1945, here are some scans... reality rules!

The first photo from your initial post is the cruiser Gloire. Here seen in full color!

USS West Mahomet...

HMS Dublin

A naval motor launch trialling Tudor Hart's zigzag camouflage. Note even the lifeboat has been coated in the pattern...

USS Nebraska

US Navy PT-Boat (unidentified ELCO-built boat)

USS Narkeeta - must've been a pain to paint...

Source:
Naval Camouflage 1914-1945
A complete visual reference by David Williams
ISBN 1-55750-496-2

Armistead · 10-20-10, 10:34 PM

Great shots Jan. Even looking at some hurt. SS #6 you can hardly tell which way the bow is. I never knew they got this wild. The Battlewagon is amazing. Can't imagine what it took. I own a paint contracting business do mostly large commericial work and seen somes strange things. Sure it was lead base paint and would've had to be done by hand then. Most spray equipment didn't come out until the 30's

Ducimus · 10-20-10, 10:42 PM

How... how did you manage the screenshots in the first post!? Hooooo boy that's awesome.!

chrysanthos · 02-27-11, 03:50 AM

this is just crazy hehe

Platapus · 02-27-11, 09:19 AM

Imagine trying to get an AOB of one of those ships!

Pretty effective.

If you are interested in that sort of stuff. cf Yehudi Camouflage

Another good idea that worked pretty well on aircraft, as the German submarine crews could attest.

Hylander_1314 · 02-27-11, 01:47 PM

Built the Dumas 48 inch ELCO PT Boat about 20 years ago now, and did it up in the dazzle camo like the pick above, and even running the model was very deceptive. You really had to pay attention to the wake, if you weren't sure of direction.

Fun R?C model. Too bad they discontinued it. I have been thinking about building another one. Especially living by the Great Lakes now.

I'm goin' down · 02-27-11, 02:19 PM

Really interesting!!

TorpX · 02-27-11, 03:22 PM

Interesting screenies. I kind of like the Nebraska.
I don't think it would make much of a difference targeting one ship on the water, but if you had a fleet of ships overlapping, that would be quite something. Like a heard of running Zebra. Could be a bit dangerous though, lots of ships like these coming and going in port.

I'm goin' down · 02-27-11, 06:04 PM

Someone create a razzle dazzle scheme with WW2 pinups. That will distract 'em for sure.

Armistead · 02-27-11, 07:33 PM

Be interesting to read some accounts of some WW1 sub skippers dealing with razzle and how they dealt with it. Razzle wasn't needed in WW2 due to the higher tech equipment.

Be amazing seeing color pictures of all the bright purples, yellows, pinks...
Had to be some gay ship designers then. Something about a pink BB and yellow spots just doesn't seem right....

One of my crew once turned into the Terminator..but I almost got some decent tatoos on him. The ships wheel landed on his cheek instead of his arm...no idea WTF happened to the rest of him.

10-19-10, 03:05 AM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Razzle Dazzle camo We've seen some of the wild camo patterns used. It basically started in WW1, one scientist saying the wild lines and camo made it very hard to track speed, but in WW1 very bright bold colors were used, yellow, purples, ect. Haven't seen any colored pictures, guess none exist. We see some of this in WW2, but what about the bold colors. I assume technology outdated the razzle dazzle. Heres a few SS, didn't know they went that wild and think what it would look like with bright neon colors...whew, confuse any skipper looking in a scope. The link for more http://twistedsifter.com/2010/02/raz...le-camouflage/ See if you can guess what happened here for a lil in game razzle dazzle This is what you saw underwater, finnaly figured out they're bubbles made bu the subs bow wave. Heres the bow wave, you can see the bubbles are dials. Dials showed and rotated on the ocean surface Like the faces in the bow wave Last edited by Armistead; 10-19-10 at 12:10 PM.

10-19-10, 10:30 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Wow, man! Whatever drug that is, I want some! Here are some color cards showing different WW1 designs. http://www.risd.edu/dazzle/ __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-27-11, 09:19 AM	#8
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,365 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Imagine trying to get an AOB of one of those ships! Pretty effective. If you are interested in that sort of stuff. cf Yehudi Camouflage Another good idea that worked pretty well on aircraft, as the German submarine crews could attest. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

02-27-11, 01:47 PM	#9
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Built the Dumas 48 inch ELCO PT Boat about 20 years ago now, and did it up in the dazzle camo like the pick above, and even running the model was very deceptive. You really had to pay attention to the wake, if you weren't sure of direction. Fun R?C model. Too bad they discontinued it. I have been thinking about building another one. Especially living by the Great Lakes now. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

02-27-11, 03:22 PM	#11
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Interesting screenies. I kind of like the Nebraska. I don't think it would make much of a difference targeting one ship on the water, but if you had a fleet of ships overlapping, that would be quite something. Like a heard of running Zebra. Could be a bit dangerous though, lots of ships like these coming and going in port.

10-19-10, 11:58 AM	#3
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Well, I'm not exactly sure. I had a big mission I made loaded, but I've played with it a hundred times with no problems. Hours into it, this happened. These SS's barely touch the funny pictures. The flags had pictures of all sailors from the game screen. The only thing I can figure is my video card has been going bad, fan not running and overheating. It was just throwing me out of the game. Laid up now and can't get another card, so I've got a small fan blowing on the card and was able to play without it overheating. I think with the big load it finally overheated anyway causing this. Thought I was in the twilight zone, couldn't believe how some of this crap displayed. Some of the other ships actually looked pretty good, like this one.

10-20-10, 02:03 PM	#4
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	LOL at some of your screens! But as I've just received my copy of Naval Camouflage 1914-1945, here are some scans... reality rules! The first photo from your initial post is the cruiser Gloire. Here seen in full color! USS West Mahomet... HMS Dublin A naval motor launch trialling Tudor Hart's zigzag camouflage. Note even the lifeboat has been coated in the pattern... USS Nebraska US Navy PT-Boat (unidentified ELCO-built boat) USS Narkeeta - must've been a pain to paint... Source: Naval Camouflage 1914-1945 A complete visual reference by David Williams ISBN 1-55750-496-2

10-20-10, 10:34 PM	#5
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Great shots Jan. Even looking at some hurt. SS #6 you can hardly tell which way the bow is. I never knew they got this wild. The Battlewagon is amazing. Can't imagine what it took. I own a paint contracting business do mostly large commericial work and seen somes strange things. Sure it was lead base paint and would've had to be done by hand then. Most spray equipment didn't come out until the 30's

10-20-10, 10:42 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	How... how did you manage the screenshots in the first post!? Hooooo boy that's awesome.!

02-27-11, 03:50 AM	#7
chrysanthos Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: greece Posts: 827 Downloads: 505 Uploads: 0	this is just crazy hehe

02-27-11, 02:19 PM	#10
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	Really interesting!!

02-27-11, 06:04 PM	#12
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	Someone create a razzle dazzle scheme with WW2 pinups. That will distract 'em for sure.

02-27-11, 07:33 PM	#13
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Be interesting to read some accounts of some WW1 sub skippers dealing with razzle and how they dealt with it. Razzle wasn't needed in WW2 due to the higher tech equipment. Be amazing seeing color pictures of all the bright purples, yellows, pinks... Had to be some gay ship designers then. Something about a pink BB and yellow spots just doesn't seem right.... One of my crew once turned into the Terminator..but I almost got some decent tatoos on him. The ships wheel landed on his cheek instead of his arm...no idea WTF happened to the rest of him.