Aircraft kill in TMO!

Pitts2112 · 02-01-11, 08:31 AM

Got a kill on a two-engined bomber in TMO!

Jan 44, patrolling south of Honshu, no surface traffic of any kind seen in weeks. Over 20 aircraft contacts. Got fed up with being a yo-yo and, having nothing to lose on this patrol, decided to fight it out on the surface next time I was bounced and see how it goes.

My gunners are actually pretty good. We've engaged 4 aircraft so far. Set all of them on fire with the first bursts (20mm and 40mm), one exploded and hit the water, crew bailing out on the way down. The rest RTBd. Went to the downed crew and found them floating in the water but couldn't take them onboard - shame really. I was up for a good interrogation as to where all the shipping traffic has gone.

The bombers haven't been that accurate, either. Of the 4 aircraft we wrestled with on the surface, all have made two attacks, one made three. None of them did any damage, which is fine by me.

Not a very satisfying patrol so far, but the aircraft action has been a bit different and fun.

Dogfish40 · 02-01-11, 10:55 AM

Ahoy Pitts
Yeah, it's always fun when you can break out either the Deck or the Flak gun.
In TMO the planes are supposed to be a bit more accurate (I believe anyway) that's how the whole MOD is set up. It's an open debate; fight the planes or dive.
Historically, U.S subs always dove unless they could not for some reason. Once you start firing at them they will sometimes get less accurate with the bombs because their dodging the bullets.
I got my ship sunk playing stock last year (I forgot to load up my SJ while starting the career) but I was also convinced they would miss... they blew me to hell and back, two bombs, hit the boat. Sigh...I can still hear the guys screamin' as we went under...
Good Hunting
D40

Armistead · 02-01-11, 01:11 PM

Well, they do often miss, but eventually one will score. Enemy planes make no attempt to dodge bullets, they make their passes based on loadout and crew ratings.

Also, if they see you they'll vector other planes to you or ships if nearby.

Just depends on how you want to play. If your goal is to have fun and shoot planes and no concern for your sub or men, have at it. If you don't mind using saves to restart if you take on damage. Nothing is worse to be 3000 miles from base and a plane scores on you and destroys a much needed componant. For reality, if I get hit by a plane, I accept the damage and deal.

Sometimes I do chance it, I may be chasing a fast TF in the day and to dive would mean to lose it, but if the group has carriers and they know your there, they'll often send squadrons at you, giving you no choice but to dive or die.

Pitts2112 · 02-01-11, 01:20 PM

I'm just doing this for fun at the moment. I usually dive to avoid. I just thought it was kind of cool that my gunners scored a kill. I'm definitely going to make sure I take that back to Pearl at the end of the patrol and see what renown or medals result (provided I get any ships before I run out of orange juice and ice cream!)

Arael · 02-01-11, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitts2112

Got a kill on a two-engined bomber in TMO!

Jan 44, patrolling south of Honshu, no surface traffic of any kind seen in weeks. Over 20 aircraft contacts. Got fed up with being a yo-yo and, having nothing to lose on this patrol, decided to fight it out on the surface next time I was bounced and see how it goes.

My gunners are actually pretty good. We've engaged 4 aircraft so far. Set all of them on fire with the first bursts (20mm and 40mm), one exploded and hit the water, crew bailing out on the way down. The rest RTBd. Went to the downed crew and found them floating in the water but couldn't take them onboard - shame really. I was up for a good interrogation as to where all the shipping traffic has gone.

The bombers haven't been that accurate, either. Of the 4 aircraft we wrestled with on the surface, all have made two attacks, one made three. None of them did any damage, which is fine by me.

Not a very satisfying patrol so far, but the aircraft action has been a bit different and fun.

It was probably a Betty Bomber. It wasn't known on both sides of the Pacific as the "One shot lighter" for nothing. It's one thing when the enemy calls an airplane that, but when your own soldiers call it a "type 1 lighter" or a "flying lighter," you know you did something wrong in the design.

WernherVonTrapp · 02-01-11, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitts2112

I just thought it was kind of cool that my gunners scored a kill. I'm definitely going to make sure I take that back to Pearl at the end of the patrol and see what renown or medals result

The trade off isn't worth the renown. The best you could hope for is a renown gain of 100 for an H8K or 70 for an H6K. The rest are all 50 or less.

Pitts2112 · 02-01-11, 02:49 PM

Only 100 renown? Is that it for that kind of shooting? Fahgget that. Diving to avoid from now on!

Char · 02-01-11, 04:03 PM

Planes are really annoying regardless of what version your on.I'm on TMO for 1.4 and I'm happy to see that there a exponentially less than in the stock game.
Even so They're all over the place.You can avoid em but it slows you down.Shooting them down nets you almost nothing.And it only takes one to make your CO write that Sad Sad Letter home.

Ducimus · 02-01-11, 05:30 PM

Some aircraft are easier to shoot down then others. Just FYI, the 40 mike mike AA rounds in TMO have a very large splash damage radius.

TorpX · 02-02-11, 12:26 AM

I play RFB/RSRDC and experience the same problems. The Jap planes seem to be crewed by expert pilots with X-ray vision. I've come to accept the reality that I'm not safe at periscope depth. On another forum I read they can see you at PS depth from 2000yds! I consider this extremely questionable.

I had a good career in S-boats, terminated by bomb attack. After dodging several attacks, they got me. I was at the end of a lousy 2 month patrol, having seen only 1 ship, but at least 50 airplanes. You have no radar and no AA. They wear you down. I made the mistake of diving to PS depth instead of 200'. By the time I realized he was coming straight at us, it was too late. Went straight to the bottom.

More recently, I was at PS depth when the crew spotted aircraft. I took a very brief look, and saw he was going to be approaching close and ordered crash dive. As we were leveling off at 150', there was an explosion that was close enough to shake the boat. As I play DiD, I don't want to take any unneccessary chances, but this seems absurd. Really now, how can an airplane spot you at PS depth, when your crew can barely see them?

Vaux · 02-04-11, 09:42 AM

I'm on my first patrol with my newly-minted Balao and was nosing around Truk last night, when I had my first aircraft encounter (with that boat). Normally, I dive, but those two, shiny, new twin 20 MMs and that cool looking 40 MM were just too tempting. I had to see what they could do.

The incoming Val is several hundred yards to port when the guns open up. By the time the Jap is a few hundred yards from my boat, there are some impressive flames coming out of the cowling and a large smoke trail. He drops his bomb, but it splashes harmlessly way off to starboard. He then keeps flying off into the sunset.

No entry in the log, so no kill, but it definitely discouraged him from making a second run.

razark · 02-04-11, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

Really now, how can an airplane spot you at PS depth, when your crew can barely see them?

TorpX · 02-04-11, 12:30 PM

Razark:

I know very well they can see you under ideal conditions. Looking at your photos, notice they are viewed from directly overhead. I'm talking about them being able to see you from a mile or perhaps more when the angle isn't nearly as favorable. From what I have seen in the game, and what others have posted, it seems they can see you at PS depth almost as if you are on the surface, or they have a amazing clairvoyant ability to fly right over you, when probibilities suggest otherwise.

razark · 02-04-11, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

From what I have seen in the game, and what others have posted, it seems they can see you at PS depth almost as if you are on the surface, or they have a amazing clairvoyant ability to fly right over you, when probibilities suggest otherwise.

I honestly wouldn't know. I never stick around if the airplanes are out flying around. I might just have to test it out sometime.

WH4K · 02-04-11, 02:27 PM

What's really annoying is when you're in an S-boat, which has no AA armament at all.

Anytime I venture into areas with Japanese air cover, it's yo-yo city.

02-01-11, 08:31 AM	#1
Pitts2112 Watch Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Aircraft kill in TMO! Got a kill on a two-engined bomber in TMO! Jan 44, patrolling south of Honshu, no surface traffic of any kind seen in weeks. Over 20 aircraft contacts. Got fed up with being a yo-yo and, having nothing to lose on this patrol, decided to fight it out on the surface next time I was bounced and see how it goes. My gunners are actually pretty good. We've engaged 4 aircraft so far. Set all of them on fire with the first bursts (20mm and 40mm), one exploded and hit the water, crew bailing out on the way down. The rest RTBd. Went to the downed crew and found them floating in the water but couldn't take them onboard - shame really. I was up for a good interrogation as to where all the shipping traffic has gone. The bombers haven't been that accurate, either. Of the 4 aircraft we wrestled with on the surface, all have made two attacks, one made three. None of them did any damage, which is fine by me. Not a very satisfying patrol so far, but the aircraft action has been a bit different and fun.

02-01-11, 10:55 AM	#2
Dogfish40 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: LA Area, Central coast, California Posts: 1,023 Downloads: 827 Uploads: 0	Ahoy Pitts Yeah, it's always fun when you can break out either the Deck or the Flak gun. In TMO the planes are supposed to be a bit more accurate (I believe anyway) that's how the whole MOD is set up. It's an open debate; fight the planes or dive. Historically, U.S subs always dove unless they could not for some reason. Once you start firing at them they will sometimes get less accurate with the bombs because their dodging the bullets. I got my ship sunk playing stock last year (I forgot to load up my SJ while starting the career) but I was also convinced they would miss... they blew me to hell and back, two bombs, hit the boat. Sigh...I can still hear the guys screamin' as we went under... Good Hunting D40 __________________ *Dogfish40*

02-04-11, 02:27 PM	#15
WH4K Frogman Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 291 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	What's really annoying is when you're in an S-boat, which has no AA armament at all. Anytime I venture into areas with Japanese air cover, it's yo-yo city. __________________ Windows 10 Pro (x64)

02-01-11, 01:11 PM	#3
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Well, they do often miss, but eventually one will score. Enemy planes make no attempt to dodge bullets, they make their passes based on loadout and crew ratings. Also, if they see you they'll vector other planes to you or ships if nearby. Just depends on how you want to play. If your goal is to have fun and shoot planes and no concern for your sub or men, have at it. If you don't mind using saves to restart if you take on damage. Nothing is worse to be 3000 miles from base and a plane scores on you and destroys a much needed componant. For reality, if I get hit by a plane, I accept the damage and deal. Sometimes I do chance it, I may be chasing a fast TF in the day and to dive would mean to lose it, but if the group has carriers and they know your there, they'll often send squadrons at you, giving you no choice but to dive or die.

02-01-11, 01:20 PM	#4
Pitts2112 Watch Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I'm just doing this for fun at the moment. I usually dive to avoid. I just thought it was kind of cool that my gunners scored a kill. I'm definitely going to make sure I take that back to Pearl at the end of the patrol and see what renown or medals result (provided I get any ships before I run out of orange juice and ice cream!)

02-01-11, 02:49 PM	#7
Pitts2112 Watch Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 30 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Only 100 renown? Is that it for that kind of shooting? Fahgget that. Diving to avoid from now on!

02-01-11, 04:03 PM	#8
Char Medic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Albany,NY Posts: 160 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	Planes are really annoying regardless of what version your on.I'm on TMO for 1.4 and I'm happy to see that there a exponentially less than in the stock game. Even so They're all over the place.You can avoid em but it slows you down.Shooting them down nets you almost nothing.And it only takes one to make your CO write that Sad Sad Letter home.

02-01-11, 05:30 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Some aircraft are easier to shoot down then others. Just FYI, the 40 mike mike AA rounds in TMO have a very large splash damage radius.

02-02-11, 12:26 AM	#10
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I play RFB/RSRDC and experience the same problems. The Jap planes seem to be crewed by expert pilots with X-ray vision. I've come to accept the reality that I'm not safe at periscope depth. On another forum I read they can see you at PS depth from 2000yds! I consider this extremely questionable. I had a good career in S-boats, terminated by bomb attack. After dodging several attacks, they got me. I was at the end of a lousy 2 month patrol, having seen only 1 ship, but at least 50 airplanes. You have no radar and no AA. They wear you down. I made the mistake of diving to PS depth instead of 200'. By the time I realized he was coming straight at us, it was too late. Went straight to the bottom. More recently, I was at PS depth when the crew spotted aircraft. I took a very brief look, and saw he was going to be approaching close and ordered crash dive. As we were leveling off at 150', there was an explosion that was close enough to shake the boat. As I play DiD, I don't want to take any unneccessary chances, but this seems absurd. Really now, how can an airplane spot you at PS depth, when your crew can barely see them?

02-04-11, 09:42 AM	#11
Vaux Torpedoman Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 116 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I'm on my first patrol with my newly-minted Balao and was nosing around Truk last night, when I had my first aircraft encounter (with that boat). Normally, I dive, but those two, shiny, new twin 20 MMs and that cool looking 40 MM were just too tempting. I had to see what they could do. The incoming Val is several hundred yards to port when the guns open up. By the time the Jap is a few hundred yards from my boat, there are some impressive flames coming out of the cowling and a large smoke trail. He drops his bomb, but it splashes harmlessly way off to starboard. He then keeps flying off into the sunset. No entry in the log, so no kill, but it definitely discouraged him from making a second run.

02-04-11, 12:30 PM	#13
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Razark: I know very well they can see you under ideal conditions. Looking at your photos, notice they are viewed from directly overhead. I'm talking about them being able to see you from a mile or perhaps more when the angle isn't nearly as favorable. From what I have seen in the game, and what others have posted, it seems they can see you at PS depth almost as if you are on the surface, or they have a amazing clairvoyant ability to fly right over you, when probibilities suggest otherwise.