Federal judge rules Obama care Unconsititutional

[yubba]

Not alittle bit of it, all of it.

[ETR3(SS)]

Link or it didn't happen.

[Platapus]

I thought the news reported that parts were unconstitutional.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Link or it didn't happen.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/...nal/index.html

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I thought the news reported that parts were unconstitutional.

Well so far it's 2-2 in the lower courts

[Aramike]

Interesting how the judge cited Obama's own words:

if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house

[gimpy117]

Theres good parts of the bill and bad parts. Personally i'd like to see the mandate part go...

If i Had my way i'd like to see it replaced with some real form of health care. Maybe Like a "opt in" style program through the government

[GoldenRivet]

well gimpy you know... they "had to pass it so we could see what was in it"

right?

LOL

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Theres good parts of the bill and bad parts. Personally i'd like to see the mandate part go...

If i Had my way i'd like to see it replaced with some real form of health care. Maybe Like a "opt in" style program through the government

If I had my way the government would insure catastrophic events and the rest would stay privatized.

[gimpy117]

like cancer? or you mean like a car accident?

[Platapus]

"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void.

This is an interesting and contentious issue. And one not universally agreed to by the SCotUS.

There is a presumption that any law is constitutional until demonstrated that it is unconstitutional. Under this proviso, courts, when declaring a part of a law unconstitutional, have upheld other articles in the law not directly affected by the unconstitutional part.

Other courts, in different cases have declared the entire law unconstitutional if part of the law is found unconstitutional if the unconstitutional part is determined to be a core part of the entire law.

It all depends on if the unconstitutional part can be stripped out of the law and have the law stand in its new form. It is not a black and white issue.

In my opinion, I think the states should concentrate on only the specific parts of the law that can reasonably be considered unconstitutional i.e., the mandate and the state penalty.

That will be a much cleaner challenge and one, in my opinion, that will stand up in court.

I believe that the concept behind health care reform is valid, but the implementation was wrong.

Let's fix the bad and keep the good instead of trashing the whole thing and perhaps waiting another 40 years to try again.

I was actually in favour of an incremental plan for fixing health care. Find out what was wrong and fix that specific problem and see how it worked. Trying to fix all of health care in one fell swoop is risky and I believe did not work out well.

This is going to be an interesting Supreme Court case. I look forward to reading the opinions of the court on this one.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

like cancer? or you mean like a car accident?

I mean like anything costing excessive amounts in dollars annually.

Imagine this: no lifetime coverage limits. Insurers being able to cover preexisting conditions because of liability limits. Lower premiums.

...yet still enough out-of-pocket expense to prevent the excess strain on the system caused by free access everytime one has the sniffles.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Link or it didn't happen.

Listening to the Shnit show on the radio. Whats the world come ing to when a mans word isn't worth anything. I should have worded it as a question, Alex, I'll take unconsitutional law for three hundred.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by yubba

Listening to the Shnit show on the radio. Whats the world come ing to when a mans word isn't worth anything. I should have worded it as a question, Alex, I'll take unconsitutional law for three hundred.

The intent of my comment was to get you to provide a source for your news, not call into question your word as a man. Generally when you look around GT those topics based on some sort of news contain a link to the original article and possibly even a brief quote from the article. If I were to open a thread about aliens being found on Mars and that they had made contact with us certainly you would want to know the full story. And just to be clear I'm not calling your topic silly or ridiculous.

[CaptainHaplo]

Aliens on Mars...

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3406300128.html

I linked it - its on the interwebs... it must be true.

Seriously, back to the OP - I do like the homeless quote. Goes to show how stupid the idea is that if you can't afford health insurance, we will charge you a fine. I guess few on the left have ever heard the old saying "You can't get blood out of a turnip".