France's National Front picks Marine Le Pen as new head

Gerald · 01-16-11, 05:42 AM

France's far-right National Front has named Marine Le Pen as its new leader at a party conference.She is succeeding her father Jean-Marie Le Pen, who founded the FN in 1972.

On Saturday party sources reported that she had secured two-thirds of votes against rival Bruno Gollnisch in a recent referendum of members.

The anti-immigrant FN has been shunned by France's main parties, but Ms Le Pen has said she wants to break with the party's xenophobic image.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12201475

Note: 16 January 2011 Last updated at 10:06 GMT

STEED · 01-16-11, 08:28 AM

Keep it in the family.

the_tyrant · 01-16-11, 08:52 AM

how can you accuse a french person of being a nazi?

Schroeder · 01-16-11, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

how can you accuse a french person of being a nazi?

Nazism isn't defined by nationality. It's a political movement that can be practised by people from any nation.

Skybird · 01-16-11, 09:09 AM

Disappointment with failing established politics. Decline of social status. State corruption. Policies being run in explciit ignorration of people's will, showing them how meaningless they are to those that lead them.

If reasonability and moderate approaches do not work ands ghet frustrated time and again, people see a grow in their acceptance to turn towards more radical approaches and alternatives.

I see it in myself, too. I am certainly not somebody who would vote for a Nazi party and ligning up with right- or leftwing extremists, but today I am willing to accepot more drastic strategies to certain issues, than I would have thought possible ten and twenty years ago. Because I see the political establishement ruining my country and all Europe since as long as I can remember, and my former good will to try reasonable positions has been ignored and frustrated time and again.

If the mainstream politics don't work, people try something less mainstream. In Germany, we see a rise of the right especially in the former GDR, and in those places that have been disconnected from the improvement of social conditions and economic circumstances (though not exclsuively there). German politicians produce these new rights themselves by having made promises they could not keep and a general failure to push forward certain developement processes (whether this always would have been possible anyway, is something different). Extremists do not just fall down from the sky. They get created by circumstances - or not, they meet a public desire for drastic chnages - or not. It'S in the hands of Germany. As well as it is in the hands of France.

In Germany, as I see it, we fail terribly. We seem to be unfit to erode the basis in situational circumstances that helpsa the right to grow, while we appease and tolerate and whitewash violence being conducted by the left extremists. Some parties and politicians from the Green and the left spectrum even side up with the latter. So why are we surprised by what we get?

Takeda Shingen · 01-16-11, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

how can you accuse a french person of being a nazi?

There were all kinds of French nazis.

Gerald · 01-16-11, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Nazism isn't defined by nationality. It's a political movement that can be practised by people from any nation.

Yes, definitely true

Freiwillige · 01-16-11, 08:02 PM

Many of the Waffen SS troops defending Berlin in the final battle were Walloons (Belgens of French decent) and A few Frenchmen Joined the military ranks of the Third Reich.

Freiwillige · 01-16-11, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Nazism isn't defined by nationality. It's a political movement that can be practised by people from any nation.

Not if you take Hitler's word. "National Socialism is a Germanic movement, It is not an export." (Based on memory actual wording might be slightly different)

DarkFish · 01-16-11, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Not if you take Hitler's word. "National Socialism is a Germanic movement, It is not an export." (Based on memory actual wording might be slightly different)

The party is German, yes. But NS as ideology is international. No matter what the Almighty Führer thinks about it.

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Walloons (Belgens of French decent)

Ehm, not exactly. The Walloons are the inhabitants of Wallonia, the French-speaking part of Belgium.

nikimcbee · 01-16-11, 08:30 PM

Vichy?

Skybird · 01-16-11, 08:39 PM

Originally, nationalsocialism was an ideology bred by a German workers party, uniting ideologic content from anticommunism, antisemitism, and antidemocratism, and giving harbour to followers of certain other political traditions and also occult sects, namely elites from the fallen Austrian dynasty. But the movement was already popular in Austria before Hitler, an Austrian, transplanted it to Germany, recent historic findings from archives (amongst them film footage showing the ammount of applaus in Austria before Hitler came to Germany) have shown two years ago.

In this, Nationalsocialism originally was a German-Austrian ideologic movement and tradition, comparable to that the socalled black shirts and fascism originally have been linked to a purely Italian movement. During the war, factions in other countries, from France over the Balkans to Scandinavia, also joined it, making Nationalsocialism an intereuropean thing. After the war, even in the victorious nations factions inside their poltical landscape formed up and confessed to Nationalsocialism, including Britain, America, Russia and today even Israel (!, in the main caused by Russian immigrants to Israel, if I remember correctly, but I may be wrong on that detail).

The biggest nationalsocialist community with the greatest global influence and financial power, today is in America. It has taken over the helm from post-war Germany. But Nationalsocialism is existent in varying strength in practically all Western countries, and beyond.

So while having its roots in Germany and Austria, Nationalsocialism today is a truly international thing.

UnderseaLcpl · 01-16-11, 09:00 PM

I protest for the sole reason that no person with the name "Marine" should ever have anything to do with France. It's a disservice to those who have earned the uniform

I have no serious opinion on the matter. France is little more than an example of what happens when one turns a wealthy and more-or-less productive Western nation into a a debt-ridden psuedo-communist sinkhole. How many times have we seen this? Three? Four? All in the last century and a half? I've long since written them off as a lost cause.

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And yes, there were French Nazis. Many of them, in fact. The sad thing is that nobody remembers them for anything other than the name "Nazi" and the murder of the Jews, whilst they ignore the horrendous crimes of the international socialists, which are, amazingly, even worse in every concievable sense. Such is the power of propaganda.

tater · 01-16-11, 10:01 PM

I was reading their platform. I couldn't find the "right" part of it as they are protectionist.

Penguin · 01-17-11, 06:08 AM

I would do her!

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how can you accuse a french person of being a nazi?

Where in the article or this threrad was the term "Nazi" mentioned?

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Originally Posted by tater

I was reading their platform. I couldn't find the "right" part of it as they are protectionist.

Que? Don't get what you mean...
I could not read anything on their website since it was protected by the french language...

If you refer to their politics: I would hardly call it protectrionist. Protectionism refers solely to economic policies. The FN has far more policies than just economic ones - if they represent any economic model at all, besides "buy french only"

01-16-11, 05:42 AM	#1
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	France's National Front picks Marine Le Pen as new head France's far-right National Front has named Marine Le Pen as its new leader at a party conference.She is succeeding her father Jean-Marie Le Pen, who founded the FN in 1972. On Saturday party sources reported that she had secured two-thirds of votes against rival Bruno Gollnisch in a recent referendum of members. The anti-immigrant FN has been shunned by France's main parties, but Ms Le Pen has said she wants to break with the party's xenophobic image. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12201475 Note: 16 January 2011 Last updated at 10:06 GMT __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Disappointment with failing established politics. Decline of social status. State corruption. Policies being run in explciit ignorration of people's will, showing them how meaningless they are to those that lead them. If reasonability and moderate approaches do not work ands ghet frustrated time and again, people see a grow in their acceptance to turn towards more radical approaches and alternatives. I see it in myself, too. I am certainly not somebody who would vote for a Nazi party and ligning up with right- or leftwing extremists, but today I am willing to accepot more drastic strategies to certain issues, than I would have thought possible ten and twenty years ago. Because I see the political establishement ruining my country and all Europe since as long as I can remember, and my former good will to try reasonable positions has been ignored and frustrated time and again. If the mainstream politics don't work, people try something less mainstream. In Germany, we see a rise of the right especially in the former GDR, and in those places that have been disconnected from the improvement of social conditions and economic circumstances (though not exclsuively there). German politicians produce these new rights themselves by having made promises they could not keep and a general failure to push forward certain developement processes (whether this always would have been possible anyway, is something different). Extremists do not just fall down from the sky. They get created by circumstances - or not, they meet a public desire for drastic chnages - or not. It'S in the hands of Germany. As well as it is in the hands of France. In Germany, as I see it, we fail terribly. We seem to be unfit to erode the basis in situational circumstances that helpsa the right to grow, while we appease and tolerate and whitewash violence being conducted by the left extremists. Some parties and politicians from the Green and the left spectrum even side up with the latter. So why are we surprised by what we get? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Vichy? __________________

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Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Many of the Waffen SS troops defending Berlin in the final battle were Walloons (Belgens of French decent) and A few Frenchmen Joined the military ranks of the Third Reich.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Originally, nationalsocialism was an ideology bred by a German workers party, uniting ideologic content from anticommunism, antisemitism, and antidemocratism, and giving harbour to followers of certain other political traditions and also occult sects, namely elites from the fallen Austrian dynasty. But the movement was already popular in Austria before Hitler, an Austrian, transplanted it to Germany, recent historic findings from archives (amongst them film footage showing the ammount of applaus in Austria before Hitler came to Germany) have shown two years ago. In this, Nationalsocialism originally was a German-Austrian ideologic movement and tradition, comparable to that the socalled black shirts and fascism originally have been linked to a purely Italian movement. During the war, factions in other countries, from France over the Balkans to Scandinavia, also joined it, making Nationalsocialism an intereuropean thing. After the war, even in the victorious nations factions inside their poltical landscape formed up and confessed to Nationalsocialism, including Britain, America, Russia and today even Israel (!, in the main caused by Russian immigrants to Israel, if I remember correctly, but I may be wrong on that detail). The biggest nationalsocialist community with the greatest global influence and financial power, today is in America. It has taken over the helm from post-war Germany. But Nationalsocialism is existent in varying strength in practically all Western countries, and beyond. So while having its roots in Germany and Austria, Nationalsocialism today is a truly international thing. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I protest for the sole reason that no person with the name "Marine" should ever have anything to do with France. It's a disservice to those who have earned the uniform I have no serious opinion on the matter. France is little more than an example of what happens when one turns a wealthy and more-or-less productive Western nation into a a debt-ridden psuedo-communist sinkhole. How many times have we seen this? Three? Four? All in the last century and a half? I've long since written them off as a lost cause. ----------------------------------------------------------------- And yes, there were French Nazis. Many of them, in fact. The sad thing is that nobody remembers them for anything other than the name "Nazi" and the murder of the Jews, whilst they ignore the horrendous crimes of the international socialists, which are, amazingly, even worse in every concievable sense. Such is the power of propaganda. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I was reading their platform. I couldn't find the "right" part of it as they are protectionist.