U96 course

flag4 · 01-16-11, 03:29 PM

have been watching Das Boot (again!)

and i was wondering if anyone has plotted the course of U96 and if so, do they have it to view. i would love to see this and follow it myself and i wonder if they went into so much detail whilst making the film?

cheers

nikimcbee · 01-16-11, 03:38 PM

They do mention map coordinates.

AK something if I remember correctly.

CCIP · 01-16-11, 03:55 PM

It's not really specified anymore, and Buchheim is deliberately vague - especially in the book where the grid coordinates are completely made-up and not historical. However from what you can generally deduce, most of the actual patrol takes place south of Iceland.

Obltn Strand · 01-16-11, 04:47 PM

uboat.net should give some information of that patrol.

Sorry. I dont know how to post links

kapuhy · 01-16-11, 05:14 PM

Here you go:

http://www.uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4725.html

Note: this is an actual patrol as it happened IRL - of course, being a novelist, Buchheim has made some changes in his telling of the story, so "his" U96's route might be different. As noted above, Buchheim kept details like this deliberately vague, describing how it is to be a part of U-Boat crew rather than writing a war diary.

CCIP · 01-16-11, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapuhy

Here you go:

http://www.uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4725.html

Note: this is an actual patrol as it happened IRL - of course, being a novelist, Buchheim has made some changes in his telling of the story, so "his" U96's route might be different. As noted above, Buchheim kept details like this deliberately vague, describing how it is to be a part of U-Boat crew rather than writing a war diary.

Yep - and it's also worth noting that the Das Boot patrol was sort of a collage of stories that had occured over several patrols on the actual U-96.

Sailor Steve · 01-16-11, 11:07 PM

And remember that in the book no number is ever mentioned. The boat is "U-A".

Gargamel · 01-16-11, 11:34 PM

Wasn't U-A an actual boat? Wouldn't that count as it's number then?

Sailor Steve · 01-16-11, 11:56 PM

There was a boat in the First World War called U-A. Buchheim used that specifically because he didn't want to use the number of an actual WW2 boat. If I recall correctly Thomsen's boat was U-X.

CCIP · 01-17-11, 12:05 AM

No, there was a UA in WWII. It was a boat originally built in Germany for the Turkish navy and seized at the start of the war. It was actually quite successful, even with a much different design from the German U-boats http://uboat.net/boats/foreign_ua.htm

However it's definitely not the boat in Das Boot.

Gargamel · 01-17-11, 02:36 AM

Ok, That makes more sense then. I had remembered U-A making some fairly successful trips to the western shores of Africa. The impression I got was it was somewhere between a VII and A IX.

Time to do a little Digging!

Gargamel · 01-17-11, 02:41 AM

From http://www.uboat.net/boats/foreign_ua.htm:

The boat was almost ready as the Turkish Batiray (the second of 4 ordered from Germaniawerft, the first, Saldiray, had been delivered in June 1939) when the war in Europe broke out and she was not handed to the Turkish but rather commissioned into the German Navy.
The remaining two boats, Atilay and Yildiray, were laid down in Turkish yards under German supervision. Altiray was commissioned in 1940 but with the German engineers and designers gone due to the war Yildiray was much delayed and was not commissioned until Jan, 1946. Altiray was lost with all hands to a moored mine on 14 July, 1942.
She was briefly named Optimist by the Germans but given her UA name on 21 Sept, 1939. She was the most successful foreign U-boat in German service by far, credited with 7 of the 9 ships sunk by those boats. Cohausz sank all those 7 ships and Eckermann sank one.

So has anybody modeled this boat in a mod yet? It looks kinda cool.

Sailor Steve · 01-17-11, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

No, there was a UA in WWII.

I thought there was, but I searched the site thoroughly (or so I thought) and couldn't find it. I didn't think to look at the captured boats section.

flag4 · 01-17-11, 02:56 PM

thanks everyone. thanks for the links. i did find U96 sinkings on google maps with flags and names for each ship sunk, but dont know how to post the link?
the other map from from uboat.net is interesting coz it zigzags everywhere. i didnt know Bucheim compiled many patrols to use for one in the film. i'll just head up to AK then and see how long i last!

cheers!

01-16-11, 03:29 PM	#1
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	U96 course have been watching Das Boot (again!) and i was wondering if anyone has plotted the course of U96 and if so, do they have it to view. i would love to see this and follow it myself and i wonder if they went into so much detail whilst making the film? cheers __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

01-16-11, 03:38 PM	#2
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	They do mention map coordinates. AK something if I remember correctly. __________________

01-16-11, 03:55 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	It's not really specified anymore, and Buchheim is deliberately vague - especially in the book where the grid coordinates are completely made-up and not historical. However from what you can generally deduce, most of the actual patrol takes place south of Iceland. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

01-16-11, 11:07 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	And remember that in the book no number is ever mentioned. The boat is "U-A". __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-16-11, 11:34 PM	#8
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Wasn't U-A an actual boat? Wouldn't that count as it's number then? __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

01-16-11, 04:47 PM	#4
Obltn Strand Commodore Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 614 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	uboat.net should give some information of that patrol. Sorry. I dont know how to post links

01-16-11, 05:14 PM	#5
kapuhy Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 874 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 3	Here you go: http://www.uboat.net/boats/patrols/patrol_4725.html Note: this is an actual patrol as it happened IRL - of course, being a novelist, Buchheim has made some changes in his telling of the story, so "his" U96's route might be different. As noted above, Buchheim kept details like this deliberately vague, describing how it is to be a part of U-Boat crew rather than writing a war diary.

01-16-11, 11:56 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	There was a boat in the First World War called U-A. Buchheim used that specifically because he didn't want to use the number of an actual WW2 boat. If I recall correctly Thomsen's boat was U-X. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-17-11, 12:05 AM	#10
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	No, there was a UA in WWII. It was a boat originally built in Germany for the Turkish navy and seized at the start of the war. It was actually quite successful, even with a much different design from the German U-boats http://uboat.net/boats/foreign_ua.htm However it's definitely not the boat in Das Boot. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

01-17-11, 02:36 AM	#11
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Ok, That makes more sense then. I had remembered U-A making some fairly successful trips to the western shores of Africa. The impression I got was it was somewhere between a VII and A IX. Time to do a little Digging! __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

01-17-11, 02:41 AM	#12
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	From http://www.uboat.net/boats/foreign_ua.htm: The boat was almost ready as the Turkish Batiray (the second of 4 ordered from Germaniawerft, the first, Saldiray, had been delivered in June 1939) when the war in Europe broke out and she was not handed to the Turkish but rather commissioned into the German Navy. The remaining two boats, Atilay and Yildiray, were laid down in Turkish yards under German supervision. Altiray was commissioned in 1940 but with the German engineers and designers gone due to the war Yildiray was much delayed and was not commissioned until Jan, 1946. Altiray was lost with all hands to a moored mine on 14 July, 1942. She was briefly named Optimist by the Germans but given her UA name on 21 Sept, 1939. She was the most successful foreign U-boat in German service by far, credited with 7 of the 9 ships sunk by those boats. Cohausz sank all those 7 ships and Eckermann sank one. So has anybody modeled this boat in a mod yet? It looks kinda cool. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

01-17-11, 02:56 PM	#14
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	thanks everyone. thanks for the links. i did find U96 sinkings on google maps with flags and names for each ship sunk, but dont know how to post the link? the other map from from uboat.net is interesting coz it zigzags everywhere. i didnt know Bucheim compiled many patrols to use for one in the film. i'll just head up to AK then and see how long i last! cheers! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut