IX/1 tower, heavy flak, and an old bug

Ducimus · 10-07-06, 01:07 PM

This is an old bug and im not sure anyone has noticed. Infact you won't notice it until you decide to put an IX/1 conning tower on an IXC or D uboat and couple it with the singe shot flak gun.

To understand this bug, you have to examine the IXB uboat, and how it behaves with this setup. SImply put, when you man the flak guns with an IX/1 tower and a heavy flak, it behaves as normal. You have three slots for AA crew. One for the 2cm on the cigarette deck, and two for the heavy flak on the main deck.

On an IXC (and D, jsut as an experiment i tried it, same behavior on both), you'll get three AA crewman slots with the same setup but what happends is you'll get one crewman manning the heavy flak, and two manning the one 2cm on the cigarette deck. The overlapping one doing his impression of jesus. If you try to man the heavy flak, you'll get , "not enough crew". I think the 2cm still works however.

If you remove the 3rd overlapping crewman on the 2cm you'll still be in the same situation. I have noticed that if you remove one of the crewman (which one seems to be random), the guns will work as normal, and they shouldn't. The heavy flak should require two, but yet, by removing the middle crewman im able to man both the heavy flak and the 2cm, and both will fire.

So if you wanted to use both, thats an adhoc, work around i guess, but who really wants to juggle their crewman like this? Man the guns and start shooting you <insert colorful explanitive here>!

So as near as i can figure, for whatever reason the IXC and D uboats are expecting two crewman, not three. Offhand i don't think its a problem with the IX/1 tower itself, because its the same tower that is afixinig itself onto an IXB uboat, and that works. So the problem, im theorizing is specific to the IXC and D uboats themselves. In a way it explains why the IXC uboats never sported an IX/1 tower in the stock game to begin with, even though its historically inaccurate that they never had the ix/1 tower.

So anyone have ideas their willing to share? I tend to post questions like this occasionally and nobody says anything. I think if we're lucky its some configuration file somewhere, but i can't find it if it is. More then likely its some hardcoded node in the IXC/D uboats. If thats the case i wonder if its possible to duplicate the IXB uboat, and give it the IXC's ID stamp so the game would accept it. I don't think theres anything else that distingush's the IXB from the IXC except its specifications whch are easily changable.

I can post screenshots later if anyone wants a clarification on what im talking about.

basilio · 10-07-06, 03:06 PM

I'm sorry but I can't help.
I have asked many times
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=83987
how to add the heavy falk to the type IXD u-boat, as I love the conning tower #1 (use it only for all my ix u-boats), and I saw pictures of IXd2s with an heavy flak gun on the deck, just as the IXB.
By the way, how were you able to add the heavy flak to the IXD2 and IXC??
P.S. Did you notice that if you select the conning tower #1 for the IXD2 it says, in the weapons menu (the one before starting a new patrol):
one deck gun, and
one heavy flak gun
but then the option to add the heavy flak is not available?

Ducimus · 10-07-06, 04:04 PM

Adding a heavy flak to an IX/1 tower configuration is easy.

Take the IXD for example. Heres a snippit from my basic.cfg for the 1942 entry of an IXD2.

Quote:

AftResIntern00=0
AftResIntern01=0
AftResExtern00=0
AftResExtern01=0
AftResExtern02=0
AftResExtern03=0
Z01_00=10 ; IX/2
M01_00=0
A01_00=7
A02_00=7
SuperCharger_00=1261
Snorkel_00=-1
Batteries_00=1269
AftBatteries_00=1269
Hydrophone_00=1271
Sonar_00=1273
Radar_00=1275
RadarWarningReceiver_00=-1
Decoy_Launcher_00=1284
SonarCoatings_00=-1
RadarCoatings_00=-1
Renown0=12000

Note the bold part, changes to this:

Quote:

Z01_00=9 ; IX/1
M01_00=0
A01_00=7
S01_00=4

Z01 is the conning tower type. The " ; IX/1" after it is just a remark denoting what the number.
M01 is the deck gun.
A01 is the 2cm AA gun.
S01 is the heavy flak. Number 4 is the 1939 single shot flak gun. Its defined towardd the end of the file. Go to the bottom of the file and scroll up, equipment is defined and given a reference number towards the end of the file. Every ammo entry uses these reference numbers when loading out uboats when you first start a game. The basic.cfg doesnt effect what you see in the musem, but it does effect what boat gets what loadout, in what year, in acutal play.

basilio · 10-09-06, 02:39 AM

THANKS for your answer Ducimus!
I would love to see this bug solved, but I guess we are the only two in the whole community to be interested on the subject, probably because nobody use the tower #1 with the IX u-boats

, and that's bad, as I saw many pictures of IXC and IXD2 boats with the heavy flak on the deck.

GT182 · 10-09-06, 07:54 PM

I just got my IX/D2 4 patrols ago. I'm using the type 3 tower with the heavy flak on the lower section as it was already there when I upgraded from the IX/C. Haven't seen any real bad bugs except having to put 2 gunners to the gun a couple of times... only 2 were sent there when Watch Officer gave orders to man the flakguns.

MothBalls · 10-09-06, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Adding a heavy flak to an IX/1 tower configuration is easy.

Is there an advantage to doing this? I think I'll give it a shot, sounds interesting, being a DX2 fan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I can post screenshots later if anyone wants a clarification on what im talking about.

That would sure help me. You saying use tower #1, and put the 37mm on the deck behind the tower?

Ducimus · 10-09-06, 08:36 PM

Theres no particualr advantage to using the c/38 flak gun, their single shot and the reload time sucks However, it is the ONLY heavy flak you can get (without cheating) before 1943, and only the type9 uboats are supposed to carry them. So you can live without em, but its a bell and whisle that should be avialable and function correctly.

And as i said, this is the IX/1 tower (singe 2 cm), not the IX/2 (double 2 cm) or the IX/3 (double 2cm Plus wintergarden for heavy flak)

Unterseejue · 01-04-11, 06:56 PM

I want to buy a IXC with a Type I conning tower so I can use the heavy flak. I was able to add the 37mm gun by changing the basic.cfg file, but I'm having the same crew problem. I tried taking the middle crew member off flak, but the 37mm won't move with 3 crew or 2. Is there a fix?

Empty B · 01-05-11, 11:07 AM

Ducimus

IIRC someone found a solution for this problem. But I can't find the thread and I don't remenber his/her name.

But it was something like adding the 3 AAA positions to the IX/1 tower:

Z01_00=9 ; IX/1
M01_00=0
A01_00=8
A02_00=8
S01_00=4

Unterseejue · 01-05-11, 11:04 PM

Danke schöne, Empty B. It works even though it says, "Flak gun 2 destroyed" at the start of each patrol.

Ducimus · 01-05-11, 11:39 PM

I was wonder what a something that was dead and buried for over 4 years would look like. Now i know!

BUKER · 01-06-11, 04:25 PM

Hi Ducimus,

You are right the third person does not get to the 37mm cannon!
Personally, I love IXC and try to think about this problem.

I use this tower 1 in the NYGM-3.4А.

Screenshots:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1500/98921922.jpg
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/4871/42291154.jpg
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7783/85055638.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7493/39253702.jpg

Gerald · 01-06-11, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUKER

Hi Ducimus,

You are right the third person does not get to the 37mm cannon!
Personally, I love IXC and try to think about this problem.

I use this tower 1 in the NYGM-3.4А.

Screenshots:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1500/98921922.jpg
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/4871/42291154.jpg
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7783/85055638.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7493/39253702.jpg

Nice skin,

nikbear · 01-06-11, 06:49 PM

I second that,what skin is it??

Gerald · 01-06-11, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikbear

I second that,what skin is it??

Wolfehunters U-boat IXC Standard

10-09-06, 07:54 PM	#5
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	I just got my IX/D2 4 patrols ago. I'm using the type 3 tower with the heavy flak on the lower section as it was already there when I upgraded from the IX/C. Haven't seen any real bad bugs except having to put 2 gunners to the gun a couple of times... only 2 were sent there when Watch Officer gave orders to man the flakguns. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

01-04-11, 06:56 PM	#8
Unterseejue Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 6 feet under Posts: 8 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Same problem I want to buy a IXC with a Type I conning tower so I can use the heavy flak. I was able to add the 37mm gun by changing the basic.cfg file, but I'm having the same crew problem. I tried taking the middle crew member off flak, but the 37mm won't move with 3 crew or 2. Is there a fix?

01-06-11, 04:25 PM	#12
BUKER 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: RUSSIA-Siberia Posts: 284 Downloads: 409 Uploads: 0	Hi Ducimus, You are right the third person does not get to the 37mm cannon! Personally, I love IXC and try to think about this problem. I use this tower 1 in the NYGM-3.4А. Screenshots: http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1500/98921922.jpg http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/4871/42291154.jpg http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7783/85055638.jpg http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7493/39253702.jpg __________________

01-06-11, 06:49 PM	#14
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I second that,what skin is it?? __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

10-07-06, 01:07 PM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	IX/1 tower, heavy flak, and an old bug This is an old bug and im not sure anyone has noticed. Infact you won't notice it until you decide to put an IX/1 conning tower on an IXC or D uboat and couple it with the singe shot flak gun. To understand this bug, you have to examine the IXB uboat, and how it behaves with this setup. SImply put, when you man the flak guns with an IX/1 tower and a heavy flak, it behaves as normal. You have three slots for AA crew. One for the 2cm on the cigarette deck, and two for the heavy flak on the main deck. On an IXC (and D, jsut as an experiment i tried it, same behavior on both), you'll get three AA crewman slots with the same setup but what happends is you'll get one crewman manning the heavy flak, and two manning the one 2cm on the cigarette deck. The overlapping one doing his impression of jesus. If you try to man the heavy flak, you'll get , "not enough crew". I think the 2cm still works however. If you remove the 3rd overlapping crewman on the 2cm you'll still be in the same situation. I have noticed that if you remove one of the crewman (which one seems to be random), the guns will work as normal, and they shouldn't. The heavy flak should require two, but yet, by removing the middle crewman im able to man both the heavy flak and the 2cm, and both will fire. So if you wanted to use both, thats an adhoc, work around i guess, but who really wants to juggle their crewman like this? Man the guns and start shooting you <insert colorful explanitive here>! So as near as i can figure, for whatever reason the IXC and D uboats are expecting two crewman, not three. Offhand i don't think its a problem with the IX/1 tower itself, because its the same tower that is afixinig itself onto an IXB uboat, and that works. So the problem, im theorizing is specific to the IXC and D uboats themselves. In a way it explains why the IXC uboats never sported an IX/1 tower in the stock game to begin with, even though its historically inaccurate that they never had the ix/1 tower. So anyone have ideas their willing to share? I tend to post questions like this occasionally and nobody says anything. I think if we're lucky its some configuration file somewhere, but i can't find it if it is. More then likely its some hardcoded node in the IXC/D uboats. If thats the case i wonder if its possible to duplicate the IXB uboat, and give it the IXC's ID stamp so the game would accept it. I don't think theres anything else that distingush's the IXB from the IXC except its specifications whch are easily changable. I can post screenshots later if anyone wants a clarification on what im talking about. Last edited by Ducimus; 10-07-06 at 06:54 PM.

10-07-06, 03:06 PM	#2
basilio Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 124 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I'm sorry but I can't help. I have asked many times http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=83987 how to add the heavy falk to the type IXD u-boat, as I love the conning tower #1 (use it only for all my ix u-boats), and I saw pictures of IXd2s with an heavy flak gun on the deck, just as the IXB. By the way, how were you able to add the heavy flak to the IXD2 and IXC?? P.S. Did you notice that if you select the conning tower #1 for the IXD2 it says, in the weapons menu (the one before starting a new patrol): one deck gun, and one heavy flak gun but then the option to add the heavy flak is not available?

10-09-06, 02:39 AM	#4
basilio Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 124 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	THANKS for your answer Ducimus! I would love to see this bug solved, but I guess we are the only two in the whole community to be interested on the subject, probably because nobody use the tower #1 with the IX u-boats , and that's bad, as I saw many pictures of IXC and IXD2 boats with the heavy flak on the deck.

10-09-06, 08:36 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Theres no particualr advantage to using the c/38 flak gun, their single shot and the reload time sucks However, it is the ONLY heavy flak you can get (without cheating) before 1943, and only the type9 uboats are supposed to carry them. So you can live without em, but its a bell and whisle that should be avialable and function correctly. And as i said, this is the IX/1 tower (singe 2 cm), not the IX/2 (double 2 cm) or the IX/3 (double 2cm Plus wintergarden for heavy flak)

01-05-11, 11:07 AM	#9
Empty B Seaman Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 39 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Ducimus IIRC someone found a solution for this problem. But I can't find the thread and I don't remenber his/her name. But it was something like adding the 3 AAA positions to the IX/1 tower: Z01_00=9 ; IX/1 M01_00=0 A01_00=8 A02_00=8 S01_00=4

01-05-11, 11:04 PM	#10
Unterseejue Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 6 feet under Posts: 8 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Danke schöne, Empty B. It works even though it says, "Flak gun 2 destroyed" at the start of each patrol.

01-05-11, 11:39 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I was wonder what a something that was dead and buried for over 4 years would look like. Now i know!