What happens if you sink a resupply vessel?

Alpha Von Burg · 12-26-10, 05:45 AM

So, as the title has mentioned, what happens when you sink a resupply vessel?

I am wondering what happens to the resupply vessel, if that vessel has been sunk before its due date. Also if there are other results, I would like to now if there are any.

Gerald · 12-26-10, 06:08 AM

I guess they shoot back if they can, and if it sinks, you will receive a strong hangover of-renown and the OKW and the BdU will send you to a camp where you learn who your enemies are...

GoldenRivet · 12-26-10, 07:59 AM

If you pull up to a resupply ship and it is armed and you attack it... it will attack you back until such time that it sinks.

because of the nature of the supply ship spawning at the start of each patrol, if you sink it, then start a new patrol, the supply ship will be respawned.

this is the same reason you can sink the HMS hood 10 times during the war if you are lucky enough.

unfortunately this detracts from realism of course... but is is the best system we currently have.

Gerald · 12-26-10, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

If you pull up to a resupply ship and it is armed and you attack it... it will attack you back until such time that it sinks.

because of the nature of the supply ship spawning at the start of each patrol, if you sink it, then start a new patrol, the supply ship will be respawned.

this is the same reason you can sink the HMS hood 10 times during the war if you are lucky enough.

unfortunately this detracts from realism of course... but is is the best system we currently have.

Right! btw,GR! How are things going with your startup?

GoldenRivet · 12-26-10, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Right! btw,GR! How are things going with your startup?

my return to SH3 has been glorious thus far.

it has all come back to me relatively quickly.

My commander Josef Vogler is about to embark on his 12th patrol of the war, and has racked up 296K tons over the span of 11 patrols, and has been promoted to KptLt.

it is now Autumn of 1940. Happy times are in full sing and i am making hay while the sun shines.

Gerald · 12-26-10, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

my return to SH3 has been glorious thus far.

it has all come back to me relatively quickly.

My commander Josef Vogler is about to embark on his 12th patrol of the war, and has racked up 296K tons over the span of 11 patrols, and has been promoted to KptLt.

it is now Autumn of 1940. Happy times are in full sing and i am making hay while the sun shines.

Have you got into some really difficult situations, which meant that you "almost" wanted to jump in the water,

GoldenRivet · 12-26-10, 08:39 AM

difficult comes after 1942 i think... interesting situations on the other hand.

On a recent patrol i was running on the surface in a heavy squall recharging batteries after running submerged for a length of time.

suddenly ahead of me about 200 meters off my port quarter a massive shape emerged from the fog. It was a British merchant. there i was in a very low traffic area of the mid-atlantic and there is a single merchant damn near colliding with me!

stranger yet. he never saw me. Perhaps his lookouts were busy huddling under their pea coats and rain coats for warmth? I went hard to starboard and estimated his speed to be 5 knots.

took a snap shot from about 400 meters range (point blank) and hit him dead center.

sailed up to the two life rafts to simulate dispersal of 3 cans of beans and a gallon of fresh water, then sailed on.

---

another time i stumbled upon a heavily escorted convoy, in the center was the HMS Rodney fired a spread of three at the BB and two missed astern, one struck under the screws immobilizing the ship.

I went deep and evaded the DDs. over a 2 hour span in real time i stopped counting after 80 depth charges

they went back to the convoy and i hit the rodney with two more eels sinking it.

stalked the same convoy for three days, picking off the largest targets and repeating the evasion. I think - though i would have to look back - i sank 2 whale factory ships, an ammunition ship and a large tanker from that convoy over the three day engagement.

the ammunition ship exploded in a furious way. I would assume all aboard were killed instantly. There was hardly surface debris. a couple of life rings and an empty life raft was about it... not even a single body remained afloat. stuff like that makes you sit back and think that for some folks - this was no game... this was a reality for them.

headed to the belchen supply ship and then steamed home with no further contacts

Gerald · 12-26-10, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

difficult comes after 1942 i think... interesting situations on the other hand.

On a recent patrol i was running on the surface in a heavy squall recharging batteries after running submerged for a length of time.

suddenly ahead of me about 200 meters off my port quarter a massive shape emerged from the fog. It was a British merchant. there i was in a very low traffic area of the mid-atlantic and there is a single merchant damn near colliding with me!

stranger yet. he never saw me. Perhaps his lookouts were busy huddling under their pea coats and rain coats for warmth? I went hard to starboard and estimated his speed to be 5 knots.

took a snap shot from about 400 meters range (point blank) and hit him dead center.

sailed up to the two life rafts to simulate dispersal of 3 cans of beans and a gallon of fresh water, then sailed on.

---

another time i stumbled upon a heavily escorted convoy, in the center was the HMS Rodney fired a spread of three at the BB and two missed astern, one struck under the screws immobilizing the ship.

I went deep and evaded the DDs. over a 2 hour span in real time i stopped counting after 80 depth charges

they went back to the convoy and i hit the rodney with two more eels sinking it.

stalked the same convoy for three days, picking off the largest targets and repeating the evasion. I think - though i would have to look back - i sank 2 whale factory ships, an ammunition ship and a large tanker from that convoy over the three day engagement.

the ammunition ship exploded in a furious way. I would assume all aboard were killed instantly. There was hardly surface debris. a couple of life rings and an empty life raft was about it... not even a single body remained afloat. stuff like that makes you sit back and think that for some folks - this was no game... this was a reality for them.

headed to the belchen supply ship and then steamed home with no further contacts

Yes, it seems to be successful for your tracks, Belchen supply ship visits myself a part which is fitting near Canada

Jimbuna · 12-26-10, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

If you pull up to a resupply ship and it is armed and you attack it... it will attack you back until such time that it sinks.

because of the nature of the supply ship spawning at the start of each patrol, if you sink it, then start a new patrol, the supply ship will be respawned.

this is the same reason you can sink the HMS hood 10 times during the war if you are lucky enough.

unfortunately this detracts from realism of course... but is is the best system we currently have.

Nailed it John...one of the few major downsides that has survived to this day

danzig70 · 12-28-10, 03:24 PM

I was afraid of that. I am working on a campaign script layer now. I was going to use disappearance dates for when units historically were in port.

If I have a single unit for the Hood and have it do a patrol loop for the entire war, will it run out of ammo or fuel?

GoldenRivet · 12-28-10, 03:45 PM

It can run out of fuel or ammo depending upon realism settings, however... It will be fully replenished when the player starts the new patrol.

Everything resets when the player starts a new patrol.

Tessa · 12-28-10, 04:02 PM

The Hood along with other unique warships (Rodney, King George, etc.) all have the ability to be multiple places at once. Several times I've ran into 2 Hood's parked inside Liverpool; same exact ship just 2 different locations. Have done the same with the Nelson, sunk it while it was in the middle of a convoy acting as an escort then again inside Gibraltor.

Instances where you sink the same ship twice in 2 seperate encounters while unrealistic, do make sense with the mechanics of the game. The ship can be part of a task force and you either manage to encounter 2 task forces with the same ship, or (my guess) is when you get a warship as a convoy escort, it is randomly generated? Finding 2 of the Hood moored at the same harbor, adjacent to each other has me stumped though.

GoldenRivet · 12-28-10, 04:15 PM

The problem is that SH3 has a roster of ship types that does not update when a type of ship is destroyed.

for example.

if you sink the HMS hood in 1939... she wont be around to sink the Bismark later in real life... BUT in the game, every time you start a fesh patrol, the list of ships is re-populated. and the ships that are summoned to appear will do so without regards as to whether or not you sunk that exact ship 6 months ago!

the way a sub sim needs to handle its ship roster is as follows:

a big file containing the ship classes and the list is populated with X number of ships as designated toward each class... when you sink one in the game, it is removed from the roster until you start a new career.

know what i mean?

for example:

if you have the "Large Tanker" populate the list with 500 large tankers with unique names like "SS Eastern Star" or "SS Laguna" etc etc. when the ship is sunk, it is removed from the roster file never to spawn again.

now, the obvious problem with doing this... if you have someone who is either really good at the game or plays arcade style from 1939 onwards and sinks 250K tons per patrol... by 1942 you have run out of ships thus depriving Britain of her lifeblood and winning the war.

thats probably one reason they decided to repopulate the roster at the start of every patrol in the career.

that way you a) dont run out of ships and b) vessels which are needed to direct historical engagements are not AWOL when they are needed.

Sailor Steve · 12-28-10, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

if you have the "Large Tanker" populate the list with 500 large tankers with unique names like "SS Eastern Star" or "SS Laguna" etc etc. when the ship is sunk, it is removed from the roster file never to spawn again.

That's exactly the way Commander's 'Ship Names' function works. If you sink a merchant and are given a name, that name won't show up again unless you manage to depopulate that entire type. Then it resets, because if it didn't you wouldn't get any more names.

The reason the major warships repopulate every time is because if, as you say, someone plays arcade style and sinks a battleship every week, there won't be any British battleships left by the start of 1941.

It is my understanding that SH5 is supposed to do just that. If you sink the Hood it will be replaced by a different ship for the Bismarck hunt.

GoldenRivet · 12-28-10, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It is my understanding that SH5 is supposed to do just that. If you sink the Hood it will be replaced by a different ship for the Bismarck hunt.

I didnt know that.

12-26-10, 05:45 AM	#1
Alpha Von Burg Engineer Join Date: May 2010 Location: Unknown Posts: 202 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	What happens if you sink a resupply vessel? So, as the title has mentioned, what happens when you sink a resupply vessel? I am wondering what happens to the resupply vessel, if that vessel has been sunk before its due date. Also if there are other results, I would like to now if there are any. __________________ -Kapitänleutnant Richard L. Römer

12-26-10, 06:08 AM	#2
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	I guess they shoot back if they can, and if it sinks, you will receive a strong hangover of-renown and the OKW and the BdU will send you to a camp where you learn who your enemies are... __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

12-26-10, 07:59 AM	#3
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	If you pull up to a resupply ship and it is armed and you attack it... it will attack you back until such time that it sinks. because of the nature of the supply ship spawning at the start of each patrol, if you sink it, then start a new patrol, the supply ship will be respawned. this is the same reason you can sink the HMS hood 10 times during the war if you are lucky enough. unfortunately this detracts from realism of course... but is is the best system we currently have. __________________

12-26-10, 08:39 AM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	difficult comes after 1942 i think... interesting situations on the other hand. On a recent patrol i was running on the surface in a heavy squall recharging batteries after running submerged for a length of time. suddenly ahead of me about 200 meters off my port quarter a massive shape emerged from the fog. It was a British merchant. there i was in a very low traffic area of the mid-atlantic and there is a single merchant damn near colliding with me! stranger yet. he never saw me. Perhaps his lookouts were busy huddling under their pea coats and rain coats for warmth? I went hard to starboard and estimated his speed to be 5 knots. took a snap shot from about 400 meters range (point blank) and hit him dead center. sailed up to the two life rafts to simulate dispersal of 3 cans of beans and a gallon of fresh water, then sailed on. --- another time i stumbled upon a heavily escorted convoy, in the center was the HMS Rodney fired a spread of three at the BB and two missed astern, one struck under the screws immobilizing the ship. I went deep and evaded the DDs. over a 2 hour span in real time i stopped counting after 80 depth charges they went back to the convoy and i hit the rodney with two more eels sinking it. stalked the same convoy for three days, picking off the largest targets and repeating the evasion. I think - though i would have to look back - i sank 2 whale factory ships, an ammunition ship and a large tanker from that convoy over the three day engagement. the ammunition ship exploded in a furious way. I would assume all aboard were killed instantly. There was hardly surface debris. a couple of life rings and an empty life raft was about it... not even a single body remained afloat. stuff like that makes you sit back and think that for some folks - this was no game... this was a reality for them. headed to the belchen supply ship and then steamed home with no further contacts __________________

12-28-10, 03:24 PM	#10
danzig70 Planesman Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Phoenix Arizona Posts: 195 Downloads: 290 Uploads: 0	I was afraid of that. I am working on a campaign script layer now. I was going to use disappearance dates for when units historically were in port. If I have a single unit for the Hood and have it do a patrol loop for the entire war, will it run out of ammo or fuel? __________________

12-28-10, 03:45 PM	#11
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	It can run out of fuel or ammo depending upon realism settings, however... It will be fully replenished when the player starts the new patrol. Everything resets when the player starts a new patrol. __________________

12-28-10, 04:02 PM	#12
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	The Hood along with other unique warships (Rodney, King George, etc.) all have the ability to be multiple places at once. Several times I've ran into 2 Hood's parked inside Liverpool; same exact ship just 2 different locations. Have done the same with the Nelson, sunk it while it was in the middle of a convoy acting as an escort then again inside Gibraltor. Instances where you sink the same ship twice in 2 seperate encounters while unrealistic, do make sense with the mechanics of the game. The ship can be part of a task force and you either manage to encounter 2 task forces with the same ship, or (my guess) is when you get a warship as a convoy escort, it is randomly generated? Finding 2 of the Hood moored at the same harbor, adjacent to each other has me stumped though.

12-28-10, 04:15 PM	#13
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	The problem is that SH3 has a roster of ship types that does not update when a type of ship is destroyed. for example. if you sink the HMS hood in 1939... she wont be around to sink the Bismark later in real life... BUT in the game, every time you start a fesh patrol, the list of ships is re-populated. and the ships that are summoned to appear will do so without regards as to whether or not you sunk that exact ship 6 months ago! the way a sub sim needs to handle its ship roster is as follows: a big file containing the ship classes and the list is populated with X number of ships as designated toward each class... when you sink one in the game, it is removed from the roster until you start a new career. know what i mean? for example: if you have the "Large Tanker" populate the list with 500 large tankers with unique names like "SS Eastern Star" or "SS Laguna" etc etc. when the ship is sunk, it is removed from the roster file never to spawn again. now, the obvious problem with doing this... if you have someone who is either really good at the game or plays arcade style from 1939 onwards and sinks 250K tons per patrol... by 1942 you have run out of ships thus depriving Britain of her lifeblood and winning the war. thats probably one reason they decided to repopulate the roster at the start of every patrol in the career. that way you a) dont run out of ships and b) vessels which are needed to direct historical engagements are not AWOL when they are needed. __________________