GWX-Weather Modeling?

hocking · 12-20-06, 05:47 PM

I just finished up a partrol off of the eastern shore of Britain in December, 1939-January, 1940 in a IIA. The seas turned rough on my way across the North Sea from Kiel, and I ran into heavy rain as I got closer to Britain. Well, it rained, rained, rained, and rained some more, very hard, for about 4 or 5 days straight if not longer. It simply would not stop raining at all. I finally just left thinking that this war is surely over by now because no land would be able to have heavy rain like that for over five straight days non-stop and still exist (not be flooded away).

Is this accurate weather modeling? Is their something wrong with my GWX install, because I am almost certain I have read that the new weather modeling in GWX is really good and was supposed to alter the weather you experience in the game often. I basically saw heavy seas in the North Sea, and Heavy Rain off the coast of Britain for about a month. Very boring. I would rather just have hard coded weather where I can just tell it what weather I want so I can flip a coin to choose to make it a little more beleivable.

Any other experiences with this?

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-20-06, 06:04 PM

Excessive bad weather is a stock SH3 trait... not a GWX bug.

hocking · 12-20-06, 07:18 PM

I knew that from before, but I thought I had read somewhere that GWX fixed the weather or something like that. I guess I was a little confused.

You are definitely right. I have always had this same problem with the weather well before your mod came out. I was not at all trying to blame your mod for the excessive bad weather. I guess we will just have to deal with it and hope they fix the weather in SH4.

Thanks.

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-20-06, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hocking

I knew that from before, but I thought I had read somewhere that GWX fixed the weather or something like that. I guess I was a little confused.

You are definitely right. I have always had this same problem with the weather well before your mod came out. I was not at all trying to blame your mod for the excessive bad weather. I guess we will just have to deal with it and hope they fix the weather in SH4.

Thanks.

We did accelerate the rate of changes in the weather... but its propensity towards bad weather is still there.

That being said, it still does exhibit seasonal patterns... ie: the weather is more consistently bad in the winter than the summer.

Some things we are just still stuck with.

Pants · 12-20-06, 07:35 PM

i must be one of the lucky ones, only had bad weather for a few hours.:hmm:

Paajtor · 12-20-06, 07:56 PM

I love bad weather....makes my job so much easier!

I just had a hard time, setting up an attack on a large convoy, June '42...weather was awefully good (screenies taken well before convoy was sighted):

This calmness is just so depressing, LOL.
Raising your attack-scope safely is a matter of millimeters, so it seems.
No Sir, give me a stormy N-Atlantic any day!

irish1958 · 12-21-06, 09:40 AM

If you use SH3 Weather Gen, you at least can start out with good weather. Try this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96710 I have found that is you use this, you can not use SH3 Weather Gen an it undoes all your changes.

Loaf · 12-21-06, 10:44 AM

I did an entire patrol in the North Sea last night (using GWX) where there was no cloud cover and ZERO wind-speed for over a week.

I think people are over-reacting to statistical oddities, perhaps. Plus - read about the real war in the Atlantic. Often whole convoys were scattered and hove-to for days on end due to storms. There is often sustained bad weather in the North Atlantic! It may be frustrating for us as players, but most people say they like realism.

Sometimes realism is no fun. You can't have it both ways!

ReallyDedPoet · 12-21-06, 11:13 AM

In books that I have read weather was nastier in the Atlantic more than it was nice, much more.

hocking · 12-21-06, 05:46 PM

I guess if it is realistic, that is what I want then. I just thought that Britain would flood away if it rained like that for days on end. I was less than 50 KM off Britains coast when I experienced all this rain, so I thought it was a bit odd. But, I admit, I am no expert on weather patterns in the North Sea. If bad weather for days on end is realistic, then that is what I want.

By the way, on my next patrol to the same region, I had clear weather the entire time (only about 3 days I think until I ran out of torps), but the wave conditions were very bad. It is February, so I am sure I will be getting some calmer seas in the near future. The waves dont bother anyhow.

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-21-06, 06:49 PM

Actually... It is the GWX weather domination device designed to take over the galaxy!!!

Bwahahahahahaaaa!

4saken · 11-28-10, 10:08 AM

I get very good weather all the time...I mean i am out on petrol for like 3 weeks and max wind is speed is 7 knots (most of the time 4) ,no rain and the wind directions is ALWAYS 0 no matter where i am heading...
Whats wrong?I am using the GWX mode and only that mode.

ps:This petrol started mid January!!!!

Draka · 11-28-10, 10:26 AM

Necromancy .... foul, foul necromancy - th' dead be among us! 'Tis tae be hoped they be grateful, tho ....

CherryHarbey · 11-28-10, 01:15 PM

not wanting to get all "the end of the world is nigh" but there seems to be an increased rate of threads returning from the dead recently.

Jimbuna · 11-28-10, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Draka

Necromancy .... foul, foul necromancy - th' dead be among us! 'Tis tae be hoped they be grateful, tho ....

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Originally Posted by CherryHarbey

not wanting to get all "the end of the world is nigh" but there seems to be an increased rate of threads returning from the dead recently.

12-20-06, 05:47 PM	#1
hocking Sparky Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 154 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 0	GWX-Weather Modeling? I just finished up a partrol off of the eastern shore of Britain in December, 1939-January, 1940 in a IIA. The seas turned rough on my way across the North Sea from Kiel, and I ran into heavy rain as I got closer to Britain. Well, it rained, rained, rained, and rained some more, very hard, for about 4 or 5 days straight if not longer. It simply would not stop raining at all. I finally just left thinking that this war is surely over by now because no land would be able to have heavy rain like that for over five straight days non-stop and still exist (not be flooded away). Is this accurate weather modeling? Is their something wrong with my GWX install, because I am almost certain I have read that the new weather modeling in GWX is really good and was supposed to alter the weather you experience in the game often. I basically saw heavy seas in the North Sea, and Heavy Rain off the coast of Britain for about a month. Very boring. I would rather just have hard coded weather where I can just tell it what weather I want so I can flip a coin to choose to make it a little more beleivable. Any other experiences with this?

12-20-06, 06:04 PM	#2
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,993 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Excessive bad weather is a stock SH3 trait... not a GWX bug. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

12-20-06, 07:35 PM	#5
Pants Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Posts: 849 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	i must be one of the lucky ones, only had bad weather for a few hours.:hmm: __________________ Ex GWX Dev Team member and proud GWX user

12-20-06, 07:56 PM	#6
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	I love bad weather....makes my job so much easier! I just had a hard time, setting up an attack on a large convoy, June '42...weather was awefully good (screenies taken well before convoy was sighted): This calmness is just so depressing, LOL. Raising your attack-scope safely is a matter of millimeters, so it seems. No Sir, give me a stormy N-Atlantic any day! __________________ Last edited by Paajtor; 12-20-06 at 08:08 PM.

12-21-06, 09:40 AM	#7
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	weather If you use SH3 Weather Gen, you at least can start out with good weather. Try this: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96710 I have found that is you use this, you can not use SH3 Weather Gen an it undoes all your changes. __________________ Irish1958

12-20-06, 07:18 PM	#3
hocking Sparky Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 154 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 0	I knew that from before, but I thought I had read somewhere that GWX fixed the weather or something like that. I guess I was a little confused. You are definitely right. I have always had this same problem with the weather well before your mod came out. I was not at all trying to blame your mod for the excessive bad weather. I guess we will just have to deal with it and hope they fix the weather in SH4. Thanks.

12-21-06, 10:44 AM	#8
Loaf Mate Join Date: May 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 58 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I did an entire patrol in the North Sea last night (using GWX) where there was no cloud cover and ZERO wind-speed for over a week. I think people are over-reacting to statistical oddities, perhaps. Plus - read about the real war in the Atlantic. Often whole convoys were scattered and hove-to for days on end due to storms. There is often sustained bad weather in the North Atlantic! It may be frustrating for us as players, but most people say they like realism. Sometimes realism is no fun. You can't have it both ways!

12-21-06, 11:13 AM	#9
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,885 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	In books that I have read weather was nastier in the Atlantic more than it was nice, much more. __________________ Back in the Day

12-21-06, 05:46 PM	#10
hocking Sparky Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 154 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 0	I guess if it is realistic, that is what I want then. I just thought that Britain would flood away if it rained like that for days on end. I was less than 50 KM off Britains coast when I experienced all this rain, so I thought it was a bit odd. But, I admit, I am no expert on weather patterns in the North Sea. If bad weather for days on end is realistic, then that is what I want. By the way, on my next patrol to the same region, I had clear weather the entire time (only about 3 days I think until I ran out of torps), but the wave conditions were very bad. It is February, so I am sure I will be getting some calmer seas in the near future. The waves dont bother anyhow.

12-21-06, 06:49 PM	#11
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,993 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Actually... It is the GWX weather domination device designed to take over the galaxy!!! Bwahahahahahaaaa! __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

11-28-10, 10:08 AM	#12
4saken Mate Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Korfu, Ionisches Meer Posts: 59 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I get very good weather all the time...I mean i am out on petrol for like 3 weeks and max wind is speed is 7 knots (most of the time 4) ,no rain and the wind directions is ALWAYS 0 no matter where i am heading... Whats wrong?I am using the GWX mode and only that mode. ps:This petrol started mid January!!!!

11-28-10, 10:26 AM	#13
Draka Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 256 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	Necromancy .... foul, foul necromancy - th' dead be among us! 'Tis tae be hoped they be grateful, tho ....

11-28-10, 01:15 PM	#14
CherryHarbey Engineer Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 200 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	not wanting to get all "the end of the world is nigh" but there seems to be an increased rate of threads returning from the dead recently.