Tired of people shooting cops...

[Bubblehead1980]

Found out this morning that yesterday around 10 am that a friend of my family who is a Deputy Sheriff back home in Florida was one of three shot when he responded to a home invasion call.The place where the incident occured is a nice upscale area of my hometown.The scumbag also shot the woman who was in the home at the time, he was later captured by the SWAT team.

I know cops are a pain in the ass and most are jerks.No offense to anyone here who is retired LE.I once considered that career path and did many ride alongs, made friends with many officers/deputies, even dated a rather attractive female deputy for a few months but in the end, not the career for me, mostly because of the type of people I would be working with and honestly LEO's do no make enough money. I chose to pursue law school instead after graduating college.Anyway, pain in the ass as most cops are, do not deserve to be shot at esp by some scumbag pulling off a home invasion.Just tired of this crap, just about a month ago another Deputy was shot in the leg in my hometown when he discovered a meth lab at a Motel 6, luckily they shot and killed the dirtbag in return.

Luckily, two of the deputy's hit yesterday were saved by their body armor and were released, the other who is a friend of the family was not so lucky and is in ICU, the bullet went through the side where the body armor does not protect.

I think the death penalty would be a good thing for the shooter considering he shot four people....the woman and three cops.

[Oberon]

I don't know how it is in the States, but generally in the UK, people who shoot coppers either die before being arrested or die in prison. Well, that's how it used to be anyway, because the police looked after their own. With the modern paperwork filled force, I'm not sure what the current in house rules are, but I should imagine it's still the same.

Shootings are a growing trend, even in the UK, perhaps due to the lack of respect the general public has towards the force these days due to the drubbing they get in the media through the actions of some bad eggs. For quite a few people it seems that the police are as much of the enemy as the criminals are.

[Platapus]

I think shooting a LE during the commission of a crime, should be tried as a separate charge in addition to the charges for the crime itself.

If a criminal is willing to shoot a police officer, what hope do unarmed citizens have?

A successful conviction of killing a police officer should be an automatic death sentence.

[Buddahaid]

He'll file suit that his rights were violated somehow due to excessive police force in not allowing him to get away with it.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm all for turning a blind eye to the treatment of people that attempt to harm or kill police officers. Take a swipe at the cops and face the consequences.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I don't know how it is in the States, but generally in the UK, people who shoot coppers either die before being arrested or die in prison. Well, that's how it used to be anyway, because the police looked after their own. With the modern paperwork filled force, I'm not sure what the current in house rules are, but I should imagine it's still the same.

Shootings are a growing trend, even in the UK, perhaps due to the lack of respect the general public has towards the force these days due to the drubbing they get in the media through the actions of some bad eggs. For quite a few people it seems that the police are as much of the enemy as the criminals are.

Well that is how it used to be in the states but the wave of liberalism that hit the US justice system and LE in last 20 years or so prevents it now for most part.Cops "abuse" a perp here, they end up with the charges dropped , nice settlement and the officers in jail.I saw this guys mugshot and he had a nice lump on his head, I suspect he must have "tripped"

Shootings are up in the UK? Perhaps time for UK beat cops to carry sidearms?

[Betonov]

Loved the old yugoslavian system, you did harm to a cop his buddies would drag you to a cellar and beat the crap out of you. Had ways of inflicting maximum pain for least injuries. Excesive force was a doctrine back then, not a breach of rights

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Loved the old yugoslavian system, you did harm to a cop his buddies would drag you to a cellar and beat the crap out of you. Had ways of inflicting maximum pain for least injuries. Excesive force was a doctrine back then, not a breach of rights

I guess it would suck if the cop's buddies picked the wrong guy.

[Buddahaid]

Here's a perfect new case. The family will sue for wrongful death/excessive police force because he was mentally compromised somehow. No gun involved but a lethal weapon used (car).

[Buddahaid]

Here's a perfect new case. The family will sue for wrongful death/excessive police force because he was mentally compromised somehow. No gun involved but a lethal weapon used (car).

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BADL1G4GM9.DTL

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I don't know how it is in the States, but generally in the UK, people who shoot coppers either die before being arrested or die in prison. Well, that's how it used to be anyway, because the police looked after their own. With the modern paperwork filled force, I'm not sure what the current in house rules are, but I should imagine it's still the same.

Shootings are a growing trend, even in the UK, perhaps due to the lack of respect the general public has towards the force these days due to the drubbing they get in the media through the actions of some bad eggs. For quite a few people it seems that the police are as much of the enemy as the criminals are.

If your equipped with a firearm during the commission of a crime it is highly likely you will be confronted by an armed response unit/team/vehicle (whichever is nearest).

My advise to any ar$ehole finding themselves in such a situation would be to surrender your firearm with immediate effect because if it is perceived you present a danger to the public or those officers responding you are then gambling whether the order to fire will be given.

If such an order is given then it is the lawful intent that you will be incapacitated/killed....the only way to reduce the risk to an acceptable level.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well that is how it used to be in the states but the wave of liberalism that hit the US justice system and LE in last 20 years or so prevents it now for most part.Cops "abuse" a perp here, they end up with the charges dropped , nice settlement and the officers in jail.I saw this guys mugshot and he had a nice lump on his head, I suspect he must have "tripped"

Shootings are up in the UK? Perhaps time for UK beat cops to carry sidearms?

A figure approaching nearly 10% already are or are already firearms trained.

There have been a few 'soundings' by the Police Federation over the years and thus far the figures maintain a large majority of serving officers who would prefer not to be armed.

[Gerald]

To shoot a police officer or hurt her or him, is a clear abuse of the rule of law

[Jimbuna]

Huh?

[XabbaRus]

Jim am I right in understanding that our firearms cops are trained to shoot to kill when given the order to shoot / threat is considered such that the policeman can justify taking the shot with out orders and therefore it is as you said best to giveup straight away?

A bit like the case of that lawyer chap shot in London last year.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Jim am I right in understanding that our firearms cops are trained to shoot to kill when given the order to shoot / threat is considered such that the policeman can justify taking the shot with out orders and therefore it is as you said best to giveup straight away?

A bit like the case of that lawyer chap shot in London last year.

Pretty much so, not that you'd ever get an official answer/admission.....during firearms training you are taught to aim for the largest section of the target which is always the torso (the home of the most vital organ the heart), sniper training is different I am informed, magnified/night sights etc.

In the case of the lawyer he had already previously discharged his weapon IIRC or had repeatedly threatened do so.

It would probably be at this point that clearance to fire was given should he pose a threat to the public/police etc........he did just that, he discharged his weapon and was met with a hail of overwhelming firepower.

No officer likes to take a life but sometimes you have little or no choice.

Ever wondered why the criminal seldom survives one an officer has discharged his weapon?