Germany to Make Forced Marriage a Crime

[Gerald]

BERLIN - Germany's government on Wednesday proposed criminalizing forced marriage, a tradition that some Muslim immigrant families impose on their children, even ones who were raised in Germany's more liberal society.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's Cabinet agreed to a proposed law that would make forced marriage in Germany a crime that can be punished with up to five years in prison.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10...arriage-crime/




Note:Published October 27, 2010

[DarkFish]

There are many more muslim habits that I'd love to see prohibited. Such as halal meat. I mean, it's all fine and well what they do in their own countries, but here in the West we've got animal rights and letting animals bleed to death without anesthesia clearly violates those

One of the basic characteristics of discrimination is unequal rights for different people, so allowing muslims to violate animal rights, while the rest of us must comply, is simply discriminating our own population/culture in favour of immigrants


PS: I'm not for discrimination, on the contrary, I think everyone should have the same rights, but those same rights count for muslims as well!

[Schroeder]

Five years in prison is a joke if you ask me. In the worst case a forced marriage means two destroyed lives.

[Gerald]

I agree! On what you say, they last lines in rights for animals as it is completed damn what happens. And it is an intolerable situation for humans and animals, including low penalties of lost lives and broken families as a result.

[tater]

It's racist if you don't let them do whatever they want!

[Skybird]

While I agree with the decision to make slavery and enforced marriage (where males also are the victims quite often, btw.) a punishable crime, I see the need to raise pressure on many other issues as well, like mandatory sports and swimming lessons at school for girls, no separate Muslim days in swimming halls and entertainment parks, no halal (ansd kosher) slaughter, no enforced female circumcision (with girls being sent to Northern Africa for getting the torturing mutilation done).

But a big problem remaisn untalked about, and that is the high crime rate amongst juveniles from Muslim migration families, and mobbing by Muslim schoolgangs against German schoolkids. Der Spiegel also had a nice article yesterday which so far has not been translated for their international edition, so the folloiwng link is a German text. It is about the untouchable Musliom big families from Afghanistan and Lebanon who run orgnaised crime empires in Berlin and othger germna metropoles and are met by a Germans tate whose poli8ce in no way is able to meet them on euqal personnel numbers and whose jiudges sometimes have nothing better to care about than to not appearing too harsh in their enforcement of the law and the confrontation of massive organised crime.

"Das Wort 'Härte', das gefällt mir nicht."

[MH]

Kashrut prohibits slaughter of an unconscious animal. Kosher slaughter, shechita, involves cutting the trachea and esophagus with a sharp, flawless knife. At the same time, the carotid arteries, which are the primary supplier of blood to the brain, are severed. The profound loss of blood and the massive drop in blood pressure render the animal insensate almost immediately. Studies done by Dr. H. H. Dukes at the Cornell University School of Veterinary Medicine indicate that the animal is unconscious within seconds of the incision.[49] According to Rabbi Barry Dov Lerner, "... kosher slaughtering is the way that Jews try to minimize the pain and fear felt by animals being killed for food."[50]
In 1978, a study incorporating EEG (electroencephalograph) with electrodes surgically implanted on the skull of 17 sheep and 15 calves, and conducted by Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "the slaughter in the form of a ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions" (of the animals), but that when Captive Bolt Stunning (CBS) was used, which is common in normal (non-kosher) slaughtering,[51] "For sheep, there were in part severe reactions both in bloodletting cut and the pain stimuli."

Stop shooting from your hips....
What about Maztot made from human blood?

Now really do you want to go into somebody else's dinner you start to scare me...
Lets forbid eating humus because it looks like **** and its offensive too(i like humus)
Do you hope each time you eat bacon that it had meaningful life and good death.
Be vegetarian at least or somthing...

The marriage thing i agree never mind if its Jewish mariage or Muslim or Buddist.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by MH

Stop shooting from your hips....
What about Maztot made from human blood?

Now really do you want to go into somebody else's dinner you start to scare me...
Lets forbid eating humus because it looks like **** and its offensive too(i like humus)

I don't know maztot or humus, but they can hardly have anything to do with the topic. I'm not denying anyone any food. I'm only opposed against the way in which the ingredients are "made".
Also, as for your quote stating it's actually a pretty good way to die, read this:

"after the throat is cut, large clots can form at the severed ends of the carotid arteries, leading to occlusion of the wound (or “ballooning” as it is known in the slaughtering trade). Nick Cohen wrote in the New Statesman, "Occlusions slow blood loss from the carotids and delay the decline in blood pressure that prevents the suffering brain from blacking out. In one group of calves, 62.5 per cent suffered from ballooning. Even if the slaughterer is a master of his craft and the cut to the neck is clean, blood is carried to the brain by vertebral arteries and it keeps cattle conscious of their pain.

Originally Posted by MH

Do you hope each time you eat bacon that it had meaningful life and good death.
Be vegetarian at least or somthing...

I think that everyone should try to prevent unnecessary suffering.

Let's put it in a human situation: assume you are a soldier in a war situation. An enemy sniper has you in his sights and shoots you. Would you rather die from a headshot (instant death, no pain) or from a lethal shot in your belly (painful, taking a relatively long time)? Personally I'd go for the headshot. I suppose you too?
If so, why do you support denying this to animals?

[MH]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

If so, why do you support denying this to animals?

I really don't think about it too much while eating my stake or god forbid bacon.
As I just don't care what Muslim eat or what god they prey to as long as they obey rules of democracy and human rights.(which some do even in Israel)
For me is live and let me live my own life the way i want.
I remember you legitimizing hammas and now you segregate people according to food chain and talk about animal rights-kind of odd.

I don't think that forcing a person to eat pork or stunned cow will make him good westerner.

Outlawing dark ages forced marriage may save some souls but the key is education and equal opportunity while fighting terrorist and religious extremists within your or any country without mercy.

Weather stunned cow dies better death than kosher or whatever cow can be a whole 100 pages debate.