RSRD orders you to empty areas

Bubblehead1980 · 10-27-10, 03:34 PM

TMO 2.0
RSRD

Something annoying I have noticed about RSRD, maybe it was done on purpose to simulate you don't get a busy area every patrol(well some did) and to keep tonnage down but it is annoying.

Reached five patrols with my Gato, started in January 1944, last was October 44, got in on the big battles at Leyte, damaged the Yamato when it was attacking TF 77 off Samar but was unable to pursue, she kept moving at 11 knots despite taking six Mark 18 torpedos, she was listing and on fire though.

Anyway, since I play dead is dead and typically start a new carrer after 4-6 patrols, I decided to start a new career with SubPac again in Gato in November 1944.Orders were to a large open ocean area NE of Convoy College east of the Ryuku Islands..said to be the "Singapore-Convoy College-Japan shipping lanes, which it is.Problem is there is not traffic at all in this shipping lane as should be.So I chose to head to Formosa Strait.

Now I hate to ignore orders, try to play realism but I have little time to play so not going t o waste time playing in an area I know is empty of convoys and maybe a single or two.

Just wondering if anyone knows why RSRD sends to empty areas.Noticed this occurs and often.

Wondering if maybe lurker intended to add traffic(could explain why Convoy College, which was a busy area is void of traffic) but never got around to it but already wrote the mission orders? Or if its meant to keep player from having a shooting gallery of an area like some places can be, such as Formosa Straits.

Fish40 · 10-27-10, 05:44 PM

I just noticed this thread, right after posting my own with a similar situation. I was just sent to the Sea of Okhotsk! According to the game map, there are no traffic lanes at all in this area. Mabey some lone merchants, but I just arrived on station so it's too early to say.

10-27-10, 06:23 PM

Go to the small bay near prot of Rausu. Got my first carrier there playint TMO.
I just playing TMO & RSRDC. Have been on 8 patrols and all of them sent me to Bashi. I submitted my own thread on this but got no answer to why RSRDC doesn't chnage my new patrols. I've transferred three times from Pearl to Brisbane and back yet I always get sent to Bashi. This seems like something not working right in RSRDC. Maybe someone could explain just how RSRDC chooses a patrol area.

Armistead · 10-27-10, 06:26 PM

Keep this in mind, timing has a lot to do with it. I use to never do patrol areas cause I never found anything, star grays out, I would move on. Then I started hanging around for days.

RSRD often sends you on a patrol to north of the San Bern at the start. Many times I went, never found nothing, so I hung around and it showed up 3 days after my patrol ended. I went right to the patrol zone at the start. Timing is everything, you don't know exactly when something has been timed to show up. It's more of a problem if you waste a day here or there before you get to the zone or using more speed you get to the zone early and it clears before the group has arrived.

In General, something is coming through that patrol zone, the problem is timing. Let's say you do one patrol and it gives you another, if you don't get there at the proper time, you'll miss it, factors of speed, did you do something else, ect. RSRD can't control all the factors in game. Many times all the patrols get thrown off, people get a zone and spend a day or two somewhere else and it throws the timing off for that one and possible the ones after that. If you use more speed, you may arrive too early.

Just try to get there as soon as you can and spend a few more days waiting, every good TF I've found came through days after the star was grayed out.

I checked most of his zones when I was working on triggers and almost always something comes through, it's more an issue of you get the patrol star and the time limit runs out before it gets there. At the beginning of the war, something major comes through every zone. It's also best to park in about the middle...Often you may miss it the first time and it sends you to the next location.
I noticed this with the Java force, my patrol star was in 3 places it crossed.

Armistead · 10-27-10, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jldjs

Go to the small bay near prot of Rausu. Got my first carrier there playint TMO.
I just playing TMO & RSRDC. Have been on 8 patrols and all of them sent me to Bashi. I submitted my own thread on this but got no answer to why RSRDC doesn't chnage my new patrols. I've transferred three times from Pearl to Brisbane and back yet I always get sent to Bashi. This seems like something not working right in RSRDC. Maybe someone could explain just how RSRDC chooses a patrol area.

Where is Bashi? Do you have the dates and I will check. I've never heard of anyone using RSRD in years that got sent to the same patrol area over
and over. I assume you're using 1.5 and correct versions of TMORSRD.
I play TMO/RSRD and have never even been sent to the same area more than once. Sometimes the next patrol will be close, but still a different area, but still that only happens a few times. Overall, we should be getting about the exact patrol zones since we both play south.

Bubblehead1980 · 10-27-10, 08:03 PM

Well I checked traffica via the mission editor, opened up the layers and as I suspected, no traffic.

Okhotsk does have a few convoys, I know there are some in May of 44.

Armistead · 10-27-10, 08:27 PM

Most of the traffic is in the JP TF and invasion group files.....compare it with patrol zones if you use the S3D. You'll notice if you start out of Manila where are your first patrol zones...Lingayen, Aparri, San Bern...All large TF. If you arrange a second patrol out of Manila you'll probably get a patrol zone for the Lingayen 2 invasion group. The same for the large Java, out of Sura you usually get a patrol zone for it in 3 different places based on time. They're many others, two notable ones are you'll get a patrol zone for the Yamato's last voyage and another for the Shinano. Most of Lurkers patrol zones are connected to such, not the convoy files.

Bubblehead1980 · 10-27-10, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead

Most of the traffic is in the JP TF and invasion group files.....compare it with patrol zones if you use the S3D. You'll notice if you start out of Manila where are your first patrol zones...Lingayen, Aparri, San Bern...All large TF. If you arrange a second patrol out of Manila you'll probably get a patrol zone for the Lingayen 2 invasion group. The same for the large Java, out of Sura you usually get a patrol zone for it in 3 different places based on time. They're many others, two notable ones are you'll get a patrol zone for the Yamato's last voyage and another for the Shinano. Most of Lurkers patrol zones are connected to such, not the convoy files.

Thats cool and I've looked at it all in the ME, TF, convoys, singles etc BUT considering the main mission of US subs was to sink Japanese merchant shipping, it's a bit much to be assigned repeatedly to areas devoid of convoy and merchant traffic.Eventually I will add some convoys to run from Singapore to Japan via South China Sea, Luzon Strait(Convoy College) and up the east side of Ryuku Islands as well convoys running from Japan to Singapore the same route, was a very busy route most of the war and basically empty esp when it comes to convoys.

Armistead · 10-28-10, 01:46 AM

Agree and disagree. The large invasion forces are merchant groups and you'll get patrol zones to those constantly, problem is they die out around 43 and are limited to campaign areas. In the beginning of RSRD it doe's a good job of placing you in these zones, but around 42 fades out. After the Solomon's the patrol zones are basically a waste of time if you know where to hunt, you'll do better elsewhere.

You have to keep in mind, you've played it long enough that you've become rather a pro. Like anything you do it over and over, it becomes somewhat repetitious and boring and then you start wanting better things, you notice what's missing. Why we both want to add so much to it, probably bored knowing it all. Most that start playing RSRD complain of no traffic, where you or I could stay involved fighting large convoys, TF's and getting involved in the battles almost every day. Now that I'm looking inside the ME, I'm surprised at how well I had RSRD figured out, but that's knowing history. Be nice to loop some of this traffic so it doesn't always take the same path.

I understand why the patrol zones bother some, why I just prefer to go to where the action is, but I'm getting tired of the same old TF, battles, ect..I hope they don't give up on the jap merchant mod, more ships, more traffic, they could really expand on it and be a much needed mod. I think I'll give SH5 a chance or try SH3

I've been playing with the celestial navigator. It's fun not having a sub icon on your map and using the navigating with programs like Stellarium and Celestia.

10-28-10, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead

Where is Bashi? Do you have the dates and I will check. I've never heard of anyone using RSRD in years that got sent to the same patrol area over
and over. I assume you're using 1.5 and correct versions of TMORSRD.
I play TMO/RSRD and have never even been sent to the same area more than once. Sometimes the next patrol will be close, but still a different area, but still that only happens a few times. Overall, we should be getting about the exact patrol zones since we both play south.

Bashi Channel is in the Luzon Staights. I've played 8 patrols with TMO/RSRD and only been sent to Bashi!! That's why I question it. Here's my MODs;
TMO 2.0
TMO_20_Beta_update
RSRDC_TMO_V502
RSRDC_V5xx_Patch1
MaxOptics IV for TMO_2
3000 Yard Bearing Tool(1280x)
EAXSoundsim_without_WebstersManuever_T
Return for Creaks and Man the Deck(Flak) Gun
Convoy Routes for TMO 2.0
Fixed Zero Bomb Load RSRDC
Fixed CD_sonar_RSRDC
IJN_Rad_Fix_for_TMO2_betaupdate

Do you see anything wrong? I started my career in early '43 and my 8th patrol is Dec '43. I left from Midway Nov 26, '43 hoping to be sent to Mariannas or Truk. Nope, back to Bashi. Something must be "stuck".
SHould I re-install? Re-install what? What file are you lookiing at the generates the RSRD patrol areas?

Diopos · 10-28-10, 11:35 AM

Bug.! Early stock versions had it. You do have an issue I think. Reinstalling might be a solution. Proceed with caution !!!!!

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Bubblehead1980 · 10-28-10, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diopos

Bug.! Early stock versions had it. You do have an issue I think. Reinstalling might be a solution. Proceed with caution !!!!!

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Not a bug, it wasnt a bug in stock.The devs just didnt bother to put some traffic in certain areas but did write mission orders.Marshall Islands come to mind.

Armistead, I'm not bored with RSRD but knowing history I do notice things are missing, thus why desire some changes but RSRD is great, just needs some tweaking. Well instead of hunting the TF all the time, just patrol looking for convoys, play 100 realism, trying operating out of different areas, or try an older class of sub etc, there is a lot of variety in SH 4 with TMO and RSRD.

I'm sure SH 5 will be good eventually but I asked about it on the SH 5 forum a while back and had many PM warning me to wait a bit.I hate the DRM thing and will save myself the trouble.SH 5 currently looks very arcade like also.SH 4 is grea and only improving.With some changes to RSRD, could be really great.

Armistead · 10-28-10, 11:53 AM

jld, I believe your game is messed up, TMO, nor RSRD doe's that. Your mods look OK. I assume you're running 1.5 Gold version, because that was a bug from long ago. You could try pulling all your mods out, but sounds like your game got fubared somewhere.

My guess is your have some corrupt files in your base game now and probably gonna have to reinstall. Just save your mods folder somewhere else and rename it.

Diopos · 10-28-10, 11:57 AM

Reoccurring missions was a bug. Regardless of traffic or not, you were sent to the same area with the same orders, again and again.

10-28-10, 11:59 AM

The government did it all the time in the 60s and 70s...

10-27-10, 03:34 PM	#1
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	RSRD orders you to empty areas TMO 2.0 RSRD Something annoying I have noticed about RSRD, maybe it was done on purpose to simulate you don't get a busy area every patrol(well some did) and to keep tonnage down but it is annoying. Reached five patrols with my Gato, started in January 1944, last was October 44, got in on the big battles at Leyte, damaged the Yamato when it was attacking TF 77 off Samar but was unable to pursue, she kept moving at 11 knots despite taking six Mark 18 torpedos, she was listing and on fire though. Anyway, since I play dead is dead and typically start a new carrer after 4-6 patrols, I decided to start a new career with SubPac again in Gato in November 1944.Orders were to a large open ocean area NE of Convoy College east of the Ryuku Islands..said to be the "Singapore-Convoy College-Japan shipping lanes, which it is.Problem is there is not traffic at all in this shipping lane as should be.So I chose to head to Formosa Strait. Now I hate to ignore orders, try to play realism but I have little time to play so not going t o waste time playing in an area I know is empty of convoys and maybe a single or two. Just wondering if anyone knows why RSRD sends to empty areas.Noticed this occurs and often. Wondering if maybe lurker intended to add traffic(could explain why Convoy College, which was a busy area is void of traffic) but never got around to it but already wrote the mission orders? Or if its meant to keep player from having a shooting gallery of an area like some places can be, such as Formosa Straits.

10-27-10, 06:26 PM	#4
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Keep this in mind, timing has a lot to do with it. I use to never do patrol areas cause I never found anything, star grays out, I would move on. Then I started hanging around for days. RSRD often sends you on a patrol to north of the San Bern at the start. Many times I went, never found nothing, so I hung around and it showed up 3 days after my patrol ended. I went right to the patrol zone at the start. Timing is everything, you don't know exactly when something has been timed to show up. It's more of a problem if you waste a day here or there before you get to the zone or using more speed you get to the zone early and it clears before the group has arrived. In General, something is coming through that patrol zone, the problem is timing. Let's say you do one patrol and it gives you another, if you don't get there at the proper time, you'll miss it, factors of speed, did you do something else, ect. RSRD can't control all the factors in game. Many times all the patrols get thrown off, people get a zone and spend a day or two somewhere else and it throws the timing off for that one and possible the ones after that. If you use more speed, you may arrive too early. Just try to get there as soon as you can and spend a few more days waiting, every good TF I've found came through days after the star was grayed out. I checked most of his zones when I was working on triggers and almost always something comes through, it's more an issue of you get the patrol star and the time limit runs out before it gets there. At the beginning of the war, something major comes through every zone. It's also best to park in about the middle...Often you may miss it the first time and it sends you to the next location. I noticed this with the Java force, my patrol star was in 3 places it crossed. Last edited by Armistead; 10-27-10 at 06:42 PM.

10-27-10, 08:27 PM	#7
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Most of the traffic is in the JP TF and invasion group files.....compare it with patrol zones if you use the S3D. You'll notice if you start out of Manila where are your first patrol zones...Lingayen, Aparri, San Bern...All large TF. If you arrange a second patrol out of Manila you'll probably get a patrol zone for the Lingayen 2 invasion group. The same for the large Java, out of Sura you usually get a patrol zone for it in 3 different places based on time. They're many others, two notable ones are you'll get a patrol zone for the Yamato's last voyage and another for the Shinano. Most of Lurkers patrol zones are connected to such, not the convoy files. Last edited by Armistead; 10-27-10 at 09:30 PM.

10-28-10, 01:46 AM	#9
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Agree and disagree. The large invasion forces are merchant groups and you'll get patrol zones to those constantly, problem is they die out around 43 and are limited to campaign areas. In the beginning of RSRD it doe's a good job of placing you in these zones, but around 42 fades out. After the Solomon's the patrol zones are basically a waste of time if you know where to hunt, you'll do better elsewhere. You have to keep in mind, you've played it long enough that you've become rather a pro. Like anything you do it over and over, it becomes somewhat repetitious and boring and then you start wanting better things, you notice what's missing. Why we both want to add so much to it, probably bored knowing it all. Most that start playing RSRD complain of no traffic, where you or I could stay involved fighting large convoys, TF's and getting involved in the battles almost every day. Now that I'm looking inside the ME, I'm surprised at how well I had RSRD figured out, but that's knowing history. Be nice to loop some of this traffic so it doesn't always take the same path. I understand why the patrol zones bother some, why I just prefer to go to where the action is, but I'm getting tired of the same old TF, battles, ect..I hope they don't give up on the jap merchant mod, more ships, more traffic, they could really expand on it and be a much needed mod. I think I'll give SH5 a chance or try SH3 I've been playing with the celestial navigator. It's fun not having a sub icon on your map and using the navigating with programs like Stellarium and Celestia. Last edited by Armistead; 10-28-10 at 07:10 AM.

10-28-10, 11:35 AM	#11
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Bug.! Early stock versions had it. You do have an issue I think. Reinstalling might be a solution. Proceed with caution !!!!! . __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

10-27-10, 05:44 PM	#2
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	I just noticed this thread, right after posting my own with a similar situation. I was just sent to the Sea of Okhotsk! According to the game map, there are no traffic lanes at all in this area. Mabey some lone merchants, but I just arrived on station so it's too early to say.

10-27-10, 06:23 PM	#3
jldjs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Go to the small bay near prot of Rausu. Got my first carrier there playint TMO. I just playing TMO & RSRDC. Have been on 8 patrols and all of them sent me to Bashi. I submitted my own thread on this but got no answer to why RSRDC doesn't chnage my new patrols. I've transferred three times from Pearl to Brisbane and back yet I always get sent to Bashi. This seems like something not working right in RSRDC. Maybe someone could explain just how RSRDC chooses a patrol area.

10-27-10, 08:03 PM	#6
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	Well I checked traffica via the mission editor, opened up the layers and as I suspected, no traffic. Okhotsk does have a few convoys, I know there are some in May of 44.

10-28-10, 11:53 AM	#13
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	jld, I believe your game is messed up, TMO, nor RSRD doe's that. Your mods look OK. I assume you're running 1.5 Gold version, because that was a bug from long ago. You could try pulling all your mods out, but sounds like your game got fubared somewhere. My guess is your have some corrupt files in your base game now and probably gonna have to reinstall. Just save your mods folder somewhere else and rename it.

10-28-10, 11:57 AM	#14
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Reoccurring missions was a bug. Regardless of traffic or not, you were sent to the same area with the same orders, again and again. __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

10-28-10, 11:59 AM	#15
NoGoodLandLubber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The government did it all the time in the 60s and 70s...