DREAM Act, more like the NIGHTMARE Act

[Bubblehead1980]

So that Dems are trying to get amnesty for illegal aliens, young ones at that so they can try to solidify their votes for years to come.

The Dems failed to get their amnesty bill and while they have control and know they won't have control much longer, so they are trying to attach an amendment to a defense spending bill known as the DREAM Act to give amnesty and citizenship just because an illegal joins the US Military.Wrong, on many levels.
Hopefully in this election climate with illegal immigration such as a hot button issue, most Dems who would normally go for this won't let it fly.

So sick of these b****** in D.C.

[Platapus]

Please share with us, without your usual emotional outbursts, what specifically about the Dream Act you find objectionable.

[TLAM Strike]

Right volunteer to fight and maybe die for the United States even though you are from another nation and not recive any benefits of that service.

Its like the Filipino Guerrillas all over again.

Only problem I have is that the enlistment should be longer, four or more years like most enlistees.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Please share with us, without your usual emotional outbursts, what specifically about the Dream Act you find objectionable.

Just a "side-step" type of amnesty for illegal aliens.Allowing someone, even if they join the military, to become an citizen when they were already breaking the law by just being in the country, is wrong.This is a political ploy by the Dems to solidify the ever growing Latino vote.These young men and women would remember it's a Dem who allowed them to do this and become citizens and would vote Democratic for the most part instead of for who is right.They will always have a loyalty to the Dem Party.


Allowing an illegal who manages to get a degree (who should not be allowed to attend college in US anyway) to earn legal status.For example, some illegal could get in state tuition but a legal out of state student has to pay out of state, that is wrong on many, many levels.I did my undergrad in state because my parents paid for college and wanted to save them money.I am currently in Law School, out of state.The tuition provided to illegal should be reserved for an actualy citizen, not an illegal.

Illegal Immigration would not be a problem if we cut off any incentive for them to be here.

So in the long run, this DREAM Act is more of a NIGHTMARE Act for this country because it just rewards illegal behavior.


Please, the Filipino Guerrillas is different.They were fighting for THEIR own country and aiding us who eventually Liberated them.These people are illegals who do not belong in the US anyway.

[Lord_magerius]

Well chosen on the user name bubblehead by the way It fits perfectly

[razark]

I may be mistaken, but isn't this for illegal immigrants who were brought to the U.S. by their parents when they were age 16 or below?

So rather than creating a slew of folks crossing the border just to enlist in the Army and get quick citizenship in exchange for a cushy job for a few years, wouldn't it deal with the people who were already brought here?


Regarding the in-state tuition, illegal immigrants should definitely not be getting it. Government funded educational institutions should not be open to them, either. However, if a school is privately owned and funded, wouldn't it be their decision who they admit and what rates they charge?

[Castout]

For this I think the illegal immigrants deserve citizenship


Without the law no illegal immigrant would have wanted to join the Army why would they?

This may signal a severe shortage in recruits to the Army. Guess the number of people willing to volunteer and join are becoming less and less as the years go by.

[mookiemookie]

This guy makes SUBMAN1 look like a well reasoned political genius.

[tater]

Serving in the military is a fine trade for citizenship. It's a damn sight more than most do. I'm all for it.

Other than that, I don't think any illegals here should get citizenship at all unless they leave, and reapply (then enter legally) from abroad. I don;t care if they've been here 20 years. Leave, apply, return.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

So that Dems are trying to get amnesty for illegal aliens, young ones at that so they can try to solidify their votes for years to come.

The Dems failed to get their amnesty bill and while they have control and know they won't have control much longer, so they are trying to attach an amendment to a defense spending bill known as the DREAM Act to give amnesty and citizenship just because an illegal joins the US Military.Wrong, on many levels.
Hopefully in this election climate with illegal immigration such as a hot button issue, most Dems who would normally go for this won't let it fly.

So sick of these bastards in D.C.

Trying to catch up with Skybird with bigotry?

You think somone who joins the military and has a LIKELY chance of being deployed in combat gives 2 craps about "Solidifying dems"? Your description as such is beyond disgusting.

[CaptainMattJ.]

it doesnt matter what they do, what they call it, how they try to cover up the ugliness, EVERY illegal immigrant is a CRIMINAL. Amnesty of any kind is unacceptable. its Unbelievable the benefits they get. They practically get a free dam pass on everything. Health care without insurance or any kind of payment, college scholarships, no taxes and its like there god dam royalty. its sickening. they bring crime, poverty, disease, degradation of schools and what do we give them? Amnesty!?!?! dam. it doesnt matter who it is, they are ALL corrupt selfish greedy piiiiigs in washington in BOTH parties. The majority of the U.S public dont even WANT to give them amnety, and yet there giving it to them anyway. Its time for us to Sift through this ocean of political correctness and touchy Racial BS and Get to the REAL problem. Mexicans/south american people come here and feast like parasites on this country. And people dont have the BALLS to go and tell them to GET OUT because theyll be branded as "racists" and "bigots". AHAHAHA! you leech off us and WERE racist? THats hilarious! and They have the AUDACITY to protest for Rights and freedom, when theyre NOT citizens and theyre BREAKING THE Law! And all in spanish, nonetheless. You dont GET to enjoy the freedoms of this country because you ARENT part of this country. America has become the most touchy-feely over the top anti racial society. Theyre afraid to tell the Actual specific groups What theyre doing and they cant take action, because theyre too dam scared of being 'Racists". THATS why theyre WINNING. people need to grow some balls and DO something.

[Zachstar]

Ok i'll grow some balls. And call your right out.

Captain Matt Your post is BIGOTED. Hows that?

Disease? WTF is with that? Some twisted logic you designed from reading on how settlers from Europe brought diseases that devastated population of the Natives?

[Skybird]

1.

Illegal immigration is just that: illegal. Politicians, left wealth-redistributors and social know-it-alls ignored it both in content and volume for very long years. In europe, it is a problem printed in capital letters too. And if you follow the poltiical events in europe, you see that the tide of public opinion is slowly shifting. Right parties have emerged from former conservative camps that are not racist or Nazi in themselves, but collect those many voters that got fed up by the former conservatiove parties having shifted into the poltical center and the even the left side of the political spectrum. In Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Holland, nw right-oreinted poltical movements made it in to the parliaments for the first time, often immediatly after they were founded. In these countries they currently can tip the balance in coalition forming. In France, Italy, Poland, strong rightwinged camps, that partially are openly facist (Italy), are part of the poltiial spectrum since long. And with the current debate around Thilo Sarrazin and migration in Germany,, and all conservative heavy-weights having turned their back on the CDU in frustration in recent months, it seesm to be only a question of time before even in Germany a new conservatove party right of the CDU will form up.

And honestly said, I think that is needed. It also is the natural result of career-poltiicans thinking for too long that they can afford to ignore urgent problems with migration, Islam and crime rates, and must not take serious the wide-spread sentiment of the general public that the nation gets lethally damaged by following these leftist policies anymore.

2.

If you join a foreign nation'S armed forces and do a certain ammount of service time, especially in wartimes, then you risk your life for that nation. That could be for two reasons. Either you do it for money only, then you are a mercenary and that nation has no further obligations towards you then to pay your the money that was mentioned in the contract. Or you do it because you feel attracted to that nation for any reason: then risking your life for it really is a strong statement that you make. In that case, after a certain ammount of service time or time spend in wartime action you should be ggrantedc citizenship as a reward indeed. In England they just have had a debate on this issue, regarding the Gurkhas. The service time should not be so brief only that it just serves as an excuse for allowing legalising illegal migration through the backdoor. It really should be a sacrifice in time spent, and risks taken. Sitting two years in a safe garrison inside said nation, is not enough, imo. Having done one or two tours in a hot shooting war, or having spend 8 years or so in a non-fighting unit, sounds more like it. No matter the specifics - you get the idea. The citizenship gained that way, indeed should be deserved, it should be a reward for services done, no investement in advance over hopes that the person maybe in the future will do something valuable for that nation.

3.

However, the recruiting of foreigners for the armed forces nevertheless should be done outside the nation doing it, else the foreigners turn into illegals by entering thta nation and then trying to legalise their status by entering the armed forces. Or better, since I have a problem with active advertsiing and recrutiing for the armed forces, offices should be maintained in other countries where foreigners can enlist. Or they should be able to do it in embassies.

[ETR3(SS)]

I would just like to point out the fact that non-US citizens have joined the US military in the past and worked towards their citizenship while enlisted. Being a natural born US citizen I'm a little sketchy on the details, they could be from US Territories.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Lord_magerius

Well chosen on the user name bubblehead by the way It fits perfectly

You do realize that Bubblehead is a 'slang' term for enlisted submariners. I realize its just a forum name but personally I hold "Bubbleheads" in the highest regard.

This thread is so full of personal attacks. How about addressing the topic at hand?