Its like those Germans have a different word for everything!

Platapus · 08-26-10, 03:14 PM

I am confused (not exactly breaking news)

What is BdU?

Befehlshaber der Unterseeboote Commander-in-Chief for submarines. So BdU is a person's position?

What is FdU?

Führer der Unterseeboote Chief/Leader/Head/Commander of U-boats. So is this also a person's position?

Would the BdU and the FdU be the same dude?

Or is BdU the Office of the Commander-in-Chief for Submarines and the FdU is the head dude himself? Was Donitz the FdU in the BdU?

Is BdU more commonly used in the context of "headquarters" as in "we have received orders from BdU" or "we need to contact BdU". I am pretty sure that when a Uboat "contacted BdU" they were not talking directly to the Gorsse Lowe himself, but to a staff officer in the BdU.

Does that sound correct?

I just want to keep my "F" and "B" straight.

MoN · 08-26-10, 03:31 PM

Both mean both the position and the office.

FdU (Dönitz) was the supreme command of subs until the war broke out and the BdU was established. BdU (again Dönitz) took over supreme command while FdUs were regional commands.

At least that´s what german wiki says.

frau kaleun · 08-26-10, 04:45 PM

I have found this to be most helpful:

http://www.ubootwaffe.net/glossary/glossary.cgi

BdU = Commander in Chief for U-boats
FdU = Flag Officer for U-boats

As MoN indicated, BdU (and FdU) could be used both for the individual who held the position as well as for his staff (as a unit) and his headquarters.

Platapus · 08-26-10, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoN

Both mean both the position and the office.

FdU (Dönitz) was the supreme command of subs until the war broke out and the BdU was established. BdU (again Dönitz) took over supreme command while FdUs were regional commands.

At least that´s what german wiki says.

So FdU was a "pre war" term and BdU replaced it during the war?

CCIP · 08-26-10, 05:40 PM

Yes, FdU was re-titled BdU about a month into the war. So to make things simple, you can consider the term interchangeable.

Platapus · 08-26-10, 08:07 PM

Muchy thanks

Gerald · 08-26-10, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

I am confused (not exactly breaking news)

What is BdU?

Befehlshaber der Unterseeboote Commander-in-Chief for submarines. So BdU is a person's position?

What is FdU?

Führer der Unterseeboote Chief/Leader/Head/Commander of U-boats. So is this also a person's position?

Would the BdU and the FdU be the same dude?

Or is BdU the Office of the Commander-in-Chief for Submarines and the FdU is the head dude himself? Was Donitz the FdU in the BdU?

Is BdU more commonly used in the context of "headquarters" as in "we have received orders from BdU" or "we need to contact BdU". I am pretty sure that when a Uboat "contacted BdU" they were not talking directly to the Gorsse Lowe himself, but to a staff officer in the BdU.

Does that sound correct?

I just want to keep my "F" and "B" straight.

werden, dann sind Sie ein Held des Dritten Reiches,und verdienen Sie BDU FDU und gut....

MoN · 08-28-10, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendor

Sie neigen dazu, nur selten verwechselt ,werden, dann sind Sie ein Held des Dritten Reiches,und verdienen Sie BDU FDU und gut....

I love those translations.

08-26-10, 03:14 PM	#1
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Its like those Germans have a different word for everything! I am confused (not exactly breaking news) What is BdU? Befehlshaber der Unterseeboote Commander-in-Chief for submarines. So BdU is a person's position? What is FdU? Führer der Unterseeboote Chief/Leader/Head/Commander of U-boats. So is this also a person's position? Would the BdU and the FdU be the same dude? Or is BdU the Office of the Commander-in-Chief for Submarines and the FdU is the head dude himself? Was Donitz the FdU in the BdU? Is BdU more commonly used in the context of "headquarters" as in "we have received orders from BdU" or "we need to contact BdU". I am pretty sure that when a Uboat "contacted BdU" they were not talking directly to the Gorsse Lowe himself, but to a staff officer in the BdU. Does that sound correct? I just want to keep my "F" and "B" straight. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-26-10, 05:40 PM	#5
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yes, FdU was re-titled BdU about a month into the war. So to make things simple, you can consider the term interchangeable. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

08-26-10, 08:07 PM	#6
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Muchy thanks __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-26-10, 03:31 PM	#2
MoN Seaman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 38 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Both mean both the position and the office. FdU (Dönitz) was the supreme command of subs until the war broke out and the BdU was established. BdU (again Dönitz) took over supreme command while FdUs were regional commands. At least that´s what german wiki says.

08-26-10, 04:45 PM	#3
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	I have found this to be most helpful: http://www.ubootwaffe.net/glossary/glossary.cgi BdU = Commander in Chief for U-boats FdU = Flag Officer for U-boats As MoN indicated, BdU (and FdU) could be used both for the individual who held the position as well as for his staff (as a unit) and his headquarters.