MSNBC is already on Obama's side for 2012

Bubblehead1980 · 08-18-10, 06:51 PM

I like to check out what the enemy's cheerleaders have to say so I'll watch MSNBC sometimes.Noticed last couple days that they are already attacking Newt Gingrich is has laid groundwork for a political combeback.The former Speaker does have a drama filled personal life but that is about all they can attack him on.say what you want but he was speaker of a congress that balanced the budget and did a great job working with a Democratic President.Gingrich is a smart guy overall.Not behind him for 2012 right now but just laughing at how the lib media is already trying to tear him down instead of doing their job and focusing on this out of control President, but they think he's just swell except for when his muppet man press sec insults the "professional left"

Platapus · 08-18-10, 07:04 PM

MSNBC on the side of a Democrat is not exactly breaking news. They are the Fox News of the Democrats.

SteamWake · 08-18-10, 07:04 PM

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Takeda Shingen · 08-18-10, 07:13 PM

Ever notice that the journalists that spin the news in a way that agrees with one's political philosophy are deemed as 'truth-tellers', while the opposing side are always called 'cheerleaders'? Does anyone else here remember when the news was just, well, news?

Bubblehead1980 · 08-18-10, 07:18 PM

haha i know but just thought i'd point it out. Fox does have a conservative slant with most of it's commentators but noticed it's reporters are actually fair.O'Reilly used to hammer Bush pretty often and has been fair to Obama.Beck is well Beck, Hannity is actually fair but is obviously Republican.

Compare those to say Olberman, Maddow or the reporters from the NBC family who end up on MSNBC like Norah O Donnell, Andrea Mitchell or all the commentators they have on from wacko liberal sites and magazines etc Fox has a slant but still seems most fair to me.Liberals hate it of course.

Just a sad state of affairs.The media has always been pro Dem though.

Takeda Shingen · 08-18-10, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

haha i know but just thought i'd point it out. Fox does have a conversative slant with most of it's commentators but noticed it's reporters are actually fair.O'Reilly used to hammer Bush pretty often and has been fair to Obama.Beck is well Beck, Hannity is actually fair but is obviously Republican.

Compare those to say Olberman, Maddow or the reporters from the NBC family who end up on MSNBC like Norah O Donnell, Andrea Mitchell or all the commentators they have on from wacko liberal sites and magazines etc Fox has a slant but still seems most fair to me.Liberals hate it of course.

Just a sad state of affairs.The media has always been pro Dem though.

You prove my point.

Ducimus · 08-18-10, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Ever notice that the journalists that spin the news in a way that agrees with one's political philosophy are deemed as 'truth-tellers', while the opposing side are always called 'cheerleaders'? Does anyone else here remember when the news was just, well, news?

This.

A better question would be, is there a credible, non biased, non politically aligned news source where one can get...well.... just the news?

Probably not. Journalistic responsiblity and integrity took a back seat to punditry and ratings years ago.

Platapus · 08-18-10, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Does anyone else here remember when the news was just, well, news?

To be honest, no. I don't think we have ever had a time when news reporting was absolutely devoid of political or philosophical biases.

If they were not biased toward a particular political party or agenda, they were biased toward our nation (either for or against).

Platapus · 08-18-10, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

haha i know but just thought i'd point it out. Fox does have a conversative slant with most of it's commentators but noticed it's reporters are actually fair....

This why it is important to differentiate between Fox News and Fox Commentary as well as MSNBC News and MSNBC Commentary.

Both Fox News and MSNBC News are about as fair as any news service these days. However the commentary on each is biased in favour of their particular audience.

The news and commentary, even though they may be on the same channel, are different products of the company.

Platapus · 08-18-10, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

A better question would be, is there a credible, non biased, non politically aligned news source where one can get...well.... just the news?

As long as there are humans involved? No.

I believe that Humans are incapable of not having any bias. The best we can do is recognize, document, and mitigate our biases.

This is why we tell people, don't bother trying to find unbiased sources in research. What is more important is that you identify and characterize the biases in your sources and seek out compensating biases in your research.

Ducimus · 08-18-10, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

If they were not biased toward a particular political party or agenda, they were biased toward our nation (either for or against).

Yeah, but under that scenario, at least there wouldn't be so much infighting and polarization amongst the populace. That's what i really dislike, is how polarized people become by their political views. It's rather extreme at times. I'm not saying everyone should agree or think the same things, only that this "us verses them" attitude based on political beliefs is kinda sad. Seriously, anything that polarizes people by their political views so much that they'd call one of their countryman an "enemy", is not healthy.

Aramike · 08-18-10, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Ever notice that the journalists that spin the news in a way that agrees with one's political philosophy are deemed as 'truth-tellers', while the opposing side are always called 'cheerleaders'? Does anyone else here remember when the news was just, well, news?

I remember ... but now in the era of the 24 hour news cycle where there surely isn't usually 24 hours worth of interesting national news, the time has got to be filled somehow I guess...

frau kaleun · 08-18-10, 09:51 PM

That's why I prefer our local news broadcast. They start off by telling me what the five top stories of the moment are, and list them all in numerical order so I don't get confused about which ones are more important than the others. After they've spent several minutes letting me know that they've compiled this handy list of the five absolutely most important stories ever for this news cycle, they then spend approximately 2.3 seconds imparting what I'm sure must be all there is to say about each one.

Then it's off to traffic and weather, which is several minutes of them telling me how awesome and advanced their traffic-and-weather reporting technology is (much more better than all the other local newscasts' old-fashioned and useless gear!) and then a few seconds telling me whether or not the freeways are backed up and whether or not I should carry an umbrella.

After that we're back to the anchor desk, where they share with me some of the fascinating comments left on their newsblog by my neighbors, who have many interesting and occasionally grammatically correct things to say about those top five most important stories they already spent approximately 11 seconds telling me about (not counting the several minutes needed to inform me that they are going to provide me with a ready made list of the top five stories for my convenience, because despite their use of the exact same format in every single newscast, I might forget about this wonderful service they provide if they don't remind me how it works on a daily basis). Also - screenshots of my neighbors' comments, because my unwillingness to go to their newsblog and see with my own eyes what Joe Blow down the street has to say about Top Story #3 should never be confused with a lack of interest on my part in Joe Blow and his insights into current events.

Then we're back to how awesome their traffic and weather reporting is, followed (depending on time of year) by a prerecorded sports "report" from some guy who can't be bothered to show up for this particular broadcast. A few minutes of inane banter between the anchors, the meteorologist and the traffic reporter - something along the lines of "hot enough for ya?" will do in a pinch - a few seconds of giggling among same over how funny they all find each other's inane banter - aaaaaand that's the news!

*sigh*

I know they're trying to compete with the internet, but, honestly? They spend more time telling me how awesome their coverage is and trying to drum up more hits for their web site ("Hey Mabel! Mebbe if I get on the computer and leave a comment about this story, they'll read it on the TV news! Woo hoo!") than they do actually telling me anything of real value.

But at least it makes it hard for them to insert a lot of bias into the news, on account of they don't actually convey very much of it.

Platapus · 08-19-10, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yeah, but under that scenario, at least there wouldn't be so much infighting and polarization amongst the populace. That's what i really dislike, is how polarized people become by their political views. It's rather extreme at times. I'm not saying everyone should agree or think the same things, only that this "us verses them" attitude based on political beliefs is kinda sad. Seriously, anything that polarizes people by their political views so much that they'd call one of their countryman an "enemy", is not healthy.

Oh I agree completely! The uncompromising schism between political philosophies, if it continues, may be the downfall of our country.

There seems to be very few Americans in my country these days.

There are whole lot of Democratic-Americans, Republican-Americans, Liberal-Americans, and Conservative-Americans in my country, but not a lot of Americans. Probably a lot of (insert exclusive philosophy)- Americans I missed too. And that's sad.

Anyone remember the poem "The Hyphen". Originally it was about race and religion. Perhaps it should be updated to include politics?

Bilge_Rat · 08-19-10, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Oh I agree completely! The uncompromising schism between political philosophies, if it continues, may be the downfall of our country.

uncrompromising schism???? This is not the 1917 Russian revolution..

Except for a couple of social issues (abortion, death penalty, same-sex unions), there is actually little real difference between the Republicans and Democrats from what I can see. Both believe in free entrerprise, the US constitution, the american way of life, America's role in the world, etc.

The difference are more a question of degree: more or less government regulations, more or less spending, higher or lower taxes, etc.

Even the new so-called Obama Health Care Plan which is branded as Socialist by many here is very underwhelming and conservative to the ROW. It is still run 100% by the private sector who will reap all the profits.

08-18-10, 06:51 PM	#1
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	MSNBC is already on Obama's side for 2012 I like to check out what the enemy's cheerleaders have to say so I'll watch MSNBC sometimes.Noticed last couple days that they are already attacking Newt Gingrich is has laid groundwork for a political combeback.The former Speaker does have a drama filled personal life but that is about all they can attack him on.say what you want but he was speaker of a congress that balanced the budget and did a great job working with a Democratic President.Gingrich is a smart guy overall.Not behind him for 2012 right now but just laughing at how the lib media is already trying to tear him down instead of doing their job and focusing on this out of control President, but they think he's just swell except for when his muppet man press sec insults the "professional left"

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	MSNBC on the side of a Democrat is not exactly breaking news. They are the Fox News of the Democrats. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-18-10, 07:18 PM	#5
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,100 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	haha i know but just thought i'd point it out. Fox does have a conservative slant with most of it's commentators but noticed it's reporters are actually fair.O'Reilly used to hammer Bush pretty often and has been fair to Obama.Beck is well Beck, Hannity is actually fair but is obviously Republican. Compare those to say Olberman, Maddow or the reporters from the NBC family who end up on MSNBC like Norah O Donnell, Andrea Mitchell or all the commentators they have on from wacko liberal sites and magazines etc Fox has a slant but still seems most fair to me.Liberals hate it of course. Just a sad state of affairs.The media has always been pro Dem though. Last edited by Bubblehead1980; 08-18-10 at 08:34 PM.

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08-18-10, 07:13 PM	#4
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Ever notice that the journalists that spin the news in a way that agrees with one's political philosophy are deemed as 'truth-tellers', while the opposing side are always called 'cheerleaders'? Does anyone else here remember when the news was just, well, news?

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frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	That's why I prefer our local news broadcast. They start off by telling me what the five top stories of the moment are, and list them all in numerical order so I don't get confused about which ones are more important than the others. After they've spent several minutes letting me know that they've compiled this handy list of the five absolutely most important stories ever for this news cycle, they then spend approximately 2.3 seconds imparting what I'm sure must be all there is to say about each one. Then it's off to traffic and weather, which is several minutes of them telling me how awesome and advanced their traffic-and-weather reporting technology is (much more better than all the other local newscasts' old-fashioned and useless gear!) and then a few seconds telling me whether or not the freeways are backed up and whether or not I should carry an umbrella. After that we're back to the anchor desk, where they share with me some of the fascinating comments left on their newsblog by my neighbors, who have many interesting and occasionally grammatically correct things to say about those top five most important stories they already spent approximately 11 seconds telling me about (not counting the several minutes needed to inform me that they are going to provide me with a ready made list of the top five stories for my convenience, because despite their use of the exact same format in every single newscast, I might forget about this wonderful service they provide if they don't remind me how it works on a daily basis). Also - screenshots of my neighbors' comments, because my unwillingness to go to their newsblog and see with my own eyes what Joe Blow down the street has to say about Top Story #3 should never be confused with a lack of interest on my part in Joe Blow and his insights into current events. Then we're back to how awesome their traffic and weather reporting is, followed (depending on time of year) by a prerecorded sports "report" from some guy who can't be bothered to show up for this particular broadcast. A few minutes of inane banter between the anchors, the meteorologist and the traffic reporter - something along the lines of "hot enough for ya?" will do in a pinch - a few seconds of giggling among same over how funny they all find each other's inane banter - aaaaaand that's the news! sigh I know they're trying to compete with the internet, but, honestly? They spend more time telling me how awesome their coverage is and trying to drum up more hits for their web site ("Hey Mabel! Mebbe if I get on the computer and leave a comment about this story, they'll read it on the TV news! Woo hoo!") than they do actually telling me anything of real value. But at least it makes it hard for them to insert a lot of bias into the news, on account of they don't actually convey very much of it.