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Moeceefus · 08-06-10, 03:07 AM

China's carrier killers. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/...carrier_killer

papa_smurf · 08-06-10, 04:07 AM

Could be an end to the USA's carrier dominance. We can help tho, all they have to do is purchase some Type 45's from us

Raptor1 · 08-06-10, 06:13 AM

Eh, didn't long range anti-ship missiles with enough accuracy to hit single ships exist for decades already?

Oberon · 08-06-10, 07:56 AM

The Kitchen ASM comes to mind, as well as our friends the Stallion, Sunburn, and Shipwreck. All of which could pose a concern to a carrier group, particularly if swarm launched.

Still, Jack Ryan will be along in a bit to give us the low down on what makes the Dong Feng so special.

EDIT:

Wait...wait a minute...

The Dong Feng is a ballistic missile?

Raptor1 · 08-06-10, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

The Dong Feng is a ballistic missile?

Well, that explains a lot.

Though I don't think it's as much as an ultimate CVBG-killing weapon as they make it out to be. It is completely dependent on satellites for guidance, and it's bound to be less reliable than usual ASMs at least at this point. There are also ways to shoot down a ballistic missile from a ship nowadays, so a CVBG is not completely defenceless against it.

Oberon · 08-06-10, 08:37 AM

Indeed, the AEGIS system can hit a Ballistic missile IIRC, so the CVBG has that covered, unless of course they employ the same techniques as the Soviets would have with their ASMs (what do we call the Dong Feng anyway...an ASBM?) and swarm launch them. AEGIS could take out four or five but one or two would still get through and from the angle of approach they would screw the flight deck if they hit, thus putting the carrier out of useful action.

Not an all powerful weapon, but still an interesting approach to the problem of circumnavigating CVBG defences.

Platapus · 08-07-10, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

AEGIS could take out four or five but one or two would still get through and from the angle of approach they would screw the flight deck if they hit, thus putting the carrier out of useful action.

Not an all powerful weapon, but still an interesting approach to the problem of circumnavigating CVBG defences.

Even if the ASBM is equipped with the smallest warhead, 100Kt will do more than screw up a flight deck.

Remember, what 15 Kt did to Hiroshima.

This is something to be concerned with. But like any other weapon system, it can be mitigated... given time, money, and focus.

TLAM Strike · 08-06-10, 08:47 AM

I see Oberon triggered the TLAM Signal again...

Yes the DF is a Ballistic missile.

Raptor1 is on the right track, it has limitations.

But it is still a little better than conventional air or ship launched missiles. For example its range is fantastic. There are only a few weapons that can engage it- all the fighters and "normal" SAMs in the CSG have no ABM capability. Physical decoys can be carried in large numbers perhaps dozens. Finally its launchers are well hidden and out of range of attack.

Its disadvantages include that it must be radar guided. Its screaming though the atmosphere so its going to get real hot precluding use of an IR seeker. I disagree with Raptor1 on that it needs a Satellite for guidance, a radar emitter could be included in each warhead. OTH targeting is a requirement- shoot that down (Plane or Sat) and these missiles are useless.

EDIT: Yes DF is an ASBM

HundertzehnGustav · 08-06-10, 03:31 PM

Scheiiiissseeee!!!!!

Alaaaarrmmm!!!

wheres them new US lazer Gunz?

08-06-10, 03:07 AM	#1
Moeceefus 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New York Posts: 278 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Made in China China's carrier killers. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/...carrier_killer

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papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Could be an end to the USA's carrier dominance. We can help tho, all they have to do is purchase some Type 45's from us __________________

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Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Eh, didn't long range anti-ship missiles with enough accuracy to hit single ships exist for decades already? __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

08-06-10, 08:47 AM	#8
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	I see Oberon triggered the TLAM Signal again... Yes the DF is a Ballistic missile. Raptor1 is on the right track, it has limitations. But it is still a little better than conventional air or ship launched missiles. For example its range is fantastic. There are only a few weapons that can engage it- all the fighters and "normal" SAMs in the CSG have no ABM capability. Physical decoys can be carried in large numbers perhaps dozens. Finally its launchers are well hidden and out of range of attack. Its disadvantages include that it must be radar guided. Its screaming though the atmosphere so its going to get real hot precluding use of an IR seeker. I disagree with Raptor1 on that it needs a Satellite for guidance, a radar emitter could be included in each warhead. OTH targeting is a requirement- shoot that down (Plane or Sat) and these missiles are useless. EDIT: Yes DF is an ASBM __________________

08-06-10, 03:31 PM	#9
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Scheiiiissseeee!!!!! Alaaaarrmmm!!! wheres them new US lazer Gunz? __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

08-06-10, 07:56 AM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The Kitchen ASM comes to mind, as well as our friends the Stallion, Sunburn, and Shipwreck. All of which could pose a concern to a carrier group, particularly if swarm launched. Still, Jack Ryan will be along in a bit to give us the low down on what makes the Dong Feng so special. EDIT: Wait...wait a minute... The Dong Feng is a ballistic missile?

08-06-10, 08:37 AM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Indeed, the AEGIS system can hit a Ballistic missile IIRC, so the CVBG has that covered, unless of course they employ the same techniques as the Soviets would have with their ASMs (what do we call the Dong Feng anyway...an ASBM?) and swarm launch them. AEGIS could take out four or five but one or two would still get through and from the angle of approach they would screw the flight deck if they hit, thus putting the carrier out of useful action. Not an all powerful weapon, but still an interesting approach to the problem of circumnavigating CVBG defences.