EXTREMELY wierd AI behavior. Glitch?

CaptainMattJ. · 07-03-10, 05:18 PM

I finally found a convoy with no escorts, but it turns out that this one is armed with deck guns. so i get really banged up on the surface, so i dive before i die cause i have 5% hull integrity (

) and so i sank three ships and damaged another and i have 1 torp left. well on the mini map i see one thats not moving, so i assume its damaged. i come up and fire my stern torpedo. turns out she wasnt damaged before the torp. so im waiting for the rest of the convoy to move along so i can surface and finish her. so i tc, and they arent going away.

this is where it get REALLY weird. the ENTIRE convoy comes back to the disabled ship, and circles it. There have been like 5 merchants who have deliberately sailed RIGHT on top of my position, like theyre trying to DC me or something. and theyre just circling me over and over.

Its like the AI laid a trap. the ship who wasnt moving was the bait then they come back and wait for me to surface so they can gun me down

has ANY1 ever seen this before?

THE_MASK · 07-03-10, 05:20 PM

No but i like it

IanC · 07-03-10, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

has ANY1 ever seen this before?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...5&postcount=13

CaptainMattJ. · 07-03-10, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IanC

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...5&postcount=13

its just the wierdest s**t though.

could u give me the link to that thread though?

Nisgeis · 07-03-10, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

could u give me the link to that thread though?

Click on the top right hand corner, where it says 'Thread: Blah blah blah'

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...05#post1433205

CaptainMattJ. · 07-03-10, 07:10 PM

Update:
THe convoy has just completely stopped.......for no reason. the damaged one is still kicking but the rest have just stopped their engines entirely.

IanC · 07-03-10, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Update:
THe convoy has just completely stopped.......for no reason. the damaged one is still kicking but the rest have just stopped their engines entirely.

Very crafty convoy

... they're trying to fake you out, using the old 'cut engines' trick. They're just waiting for you to surface then you'll have 20 merchants bearing down on you, don't fall for it!

GoldenRivet · 07-03-10, 07:22 PM

actually, they're not.

this is a glitch and goes against everything convoy tactics stands for.

IanC · 07-03-10, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

actually, they're not.

this is a glitch and goes against everything convoy tactics stands for.

GR...

I was trying to make a joke...

CaptainMattJ. · 07-03-10, 07:34 PM

actually, they were. they were waiting for me.....like ever seen saving private ryan? remember when the guy got shot by a sniper. all the other guys were lying in wait until they caught where the sniper was. well its like that, cept they baited the sniper, and the sniper didnt bait them. see they were using the damaged ship as BAIT! then when id come up theyd al show theyre sharp teeth (deck guns) and waste awaythe last 5% of my hull integrity. THE FUNNY THING IS! i did surface AND i sunk the damaged ship and slipped under before they could get a shot to hit me heheheheheheh.

It autosaved like 20 seconds after i surfaced and by that itme i had already fireda few shots at it so it autosaved RIGHT at they started firing their guns.

i had to keep reloading and finding new way to avoid them and eventually slip under. i finally found a good one. full back hard to port and if i went full back id start to sink for osme reason. so i did that. fired off the last shots to kill his health then ran as fast as i could into the hatch and ordered periscope depth at flank speed. still got hit though :P. but it did 3% hull damage.

so right now im like 2% hull integrity back to lorient. those two are a DANGEROUS mix. cause getting OUT of lorient is a navigational nightmare. i ALWAYs scrape the dam pen walls or SOMETHING when i leave. Thank god you dont have to dock your boat yourself. Ughhh.

Will-Rommel · 07-03-10, 10:56 PM

That post really made my day (night actually) before going to work.

IanC · 07-04-10, 01:11 PM

SH5
You don't go after the convoy, the convoy goes after you!

E.Luden · 07-05-10, 11:19 AM

good thing that your chief stocked up on plenty of BdU issue super glue, otherwise your boat would have fallen apart

CaptainMattJ. · 07-05-10, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by E.Luden

good thing that your chief stocked up on plenty of BdU issue super glue, otherwise your boat would have fallen apart

naw, we didnt have any glue, so we used scotch tape.

Frumpkis · 07-06-10, 02:54 PM

I remember seeing this a few times in early versions of SH4 (before final patch and mods), where one or more merchants suddenly start acting like escorts. So it could be a legacy bug in the code rearing its head again.

I'm no expert (maybe Ducimus or one of the others can chime in here)... but it might have something to do with the way the "AI leader" position shifts to another ship when the leader is sunk. Somehow merchant AI gets shifted to escort AI, and one or more of them will start listening for your position, and doing simulated depth charge runs over you. Funny to watch on surface cam, but not that much fun if you're trying to polish off a slow sinker.

The behavior hasn't shown up again in my modded SH4, so either the final patch or the modded AI scripts fixed it. Maybe the SH5 modders can identify and fix this, or maybe it gets fixed with any major overwrite of the AI.

07-03-10, 05:18 PM	#1
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	EXTREMELY wierd AI behavior. Glitch? I finally found a convoy with no escorts, but it turns out that this one is armed with deck guns. so i get really banged up on the surface, so i dive before i die cause i have 5% hull integrity () and so i sank three ships and damaged another and i have 1 torp left. well on the mini map i see one thats not moving, so i assume its damaged. i come up and fire my stern torpedo. turns out she wasnt damaged before the torp. so im waiting for the rest of the convoy to move along so i can surface and finish her. so i tc, and they arent going away. this is where it get REALLY weird. the ENTIRE convoy comes back to the disabled ship, and circles it. There have been like 5 merchants who have deliberately sailed RIGHT on top of my position, like theyre trying to DC me or something. and theyre just circling me over and over. Its like the AI laid a trap. the ship who wasnt moving was the bait then they come back and wait for me to surface so they can gun me down has ANY1 ever seen this before?

07-03-10, 07:22 PM	#8
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	actually, they're not. this is a glitch and goes against everything convoy tactics stands for. __________________

07-03-10, 10:56 PM	#11
Will-Rommel Chief Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 320 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	That post really made my day (night actually) before going to work. __________________ -Fighting is a lifestyle-

07-03-10, 05:20 PM	#2
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	No but i like it

07-03-10, 07:10 PM	#6
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	Update: THe convoy has just completely stopped.......for no reason. the damaged one is still kicking but the rest have just stopped their engines entirely.

07-03-10, 07:34 PM	#10
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	actually, they were. they were waiting for me.....like ever seen saving private ryan? remember when the guy got shot by a sniper. all the other guys were lying in wait until they caught where the sniper was. well its like that, cept they baited the sniper, and the sniper didnt bait them. see they were using the damaged ship as BAIT! then when id come up theyd al show theyre sharp teeth (deck guns) and waste awaythe last 5% of my hull integrity. THE FUNNY THING IS! i did surface AND i sunk the damaged ship and slipped under before they could get a shot to hit me heheheheheheh. It autosaved like 20 seconds after i surfaced and by that itme i had already fireda few shots at it so it autosaved RIGHT at they started firing their guns. i had to keep reloading and finding new way to avoid them and eventually slip under. i finally found a good one. full back hard to port and if i went full back id start to sink for osme reason. so i did that. fired off the last shots to kill his health then ran as fast as i could into the hatch and ordered periscope depth at flank speed. still got hit though :P. but it did 3% hull damage. so right now im like 2% hull integrity back to lorient. those two are a DANGEROUS mix. cause getting OUT of lorient is a navigational nightmare. i ALWAYs scrape the dam pen walls or SOMETHING when i leave. Thank god you dont have to dock your boat yourself. Ughhh.

07-04-10, 01:11 PM	#12
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	SH5 You don't go after the convoy, the convoy goes after you!

07-05-10, 11:19 AM	#13
E.Luden Seaman Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	good thing that your chief stocked up on plenty of BdU issue super glue, otherwise your boat would have fallen apart

07-06-10, 02:54 PM	#15
Frumpkis Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 60 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I remember seeing this a few times in early versions of SH4 (before final patch and mods), where one or more merchants suddenly start acting like escorts. So it could be a legacy bug in the code rearing its head again. I'm no expert (maybe Ducimus or one of the others can chime in here)... but it might have something to do with the way the "AI leader" position shifts to another ship when the leader is sunk. Somehow merchant AI gets shifted to escort AI, and one or more of them will start listening for your position, and doing simulated depth charge runs over you. Funny to watch on surface cam, but not that much fun if you're trying to polish off a slow sinker. The behavior hasn't shown up again in my modded SH4, so either the final patch or the modded AI scripts fixed it. Maybe the SH5 modders can identify and fix this, or maybe it gets fixed with any major overwrite of the AI.