Gun Violence and the outlawing of firearms in America

GoldenRivet · 06-28-10, 08:07 PM

I ran a test some years ago, with a couple of my personal firearms. One was an AR-15, the other an SKS. I loaded both and put them on the back porch of my rural home under the watchful eye of a DVR video camera. For one week, the firearms sat there on the back porch, fully loaded... seven days.

During those seven days, neither gun ever attempted to kill anyone.

they both lay there, behaving in a peaceful manner, never acting in aggression or making any movement whatsoever.

however...

in that same seven day period, 18 people were arrested for DUI, 3 for reckless driving, 1 for endangerment of a child, 4 for methamphetamine possession, 15 for shoplifting and 1 for domestic abuse.

personally, it makes more sense to outlaw idiots than it does guns.

Takeda Shingen · 06-28-10, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

in that same seven day period, 18 people were arrested for DUI, 3 for reckless driving, 1 for endangerment of a child, 4 for methamphetamine possession, 15 for shoplifting and 1 for domestic abuse.

Yeah, that was quite a busy week. In seriousness, I agree with you. I am not a gun owner, and I probably never will be one, but I support your right to own one or more.

Zachstar · 06-28-10, 08:15 PM

Glad you live in a safe neighborhood where nobody will dare steal those weapons to use them for robberies and such. BTW I dont know of the legality of what you did. Some states have laws requiring safe storage when large weapons are not in use.

I dont get the crying anyway. The supreme court has ruled TIME after TIME against gun laws.

breadcatcher101 · 06-28-10, 08:18 PM

What kind of SKS? I have a Yugo. Nice carbines, fun to shoot.

Stealth Hunter · 06-28-10, 08:36 PM

Gov'ment 'gonn take our religion and our guns...

Ducimus · 06-28-10, 08:52 PM

I've always sat on the fence where gun control is concerned.

On one hand their just a tool like any another. A skill saw, table saw, hammer drill, powder actuated, whatever. Like any tool it's designed to do a specific job. And Tools typically don't go off by themselves, someone has to use them.

On the other hand, some tools are designed to do a job that you probably aren't going to be doing as a civilian, at least not lawfully (exception here being castle laws).

To waffle again, id love to own an M16-A1 or an A2, it would be nice to hold one in my hands again and squeeze off some rounds, and to waffle again, it's not a tool id like to see in the hands of some gang banger in Pomona , south central LA, or whatever.

So yeah, here i sit on the fence.

krashkart · 06-28-10, 09:33 PM

I'm kind of on the fence about gun control, but also an avid shooter and gun lover. I really don't think that blanket laws keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands, but I'd be interested to see a solution that actually works for everyone.

06-28-10, 09:33 PM

Isn't this a repeat of "How graciouse of them"?

gimpy117 · 06-28-10, 09:39 PM

oh what a comprehensive test you've done!!! that really proves a lot!! how silly we all are!

yeah well how about you give a fully loaded SKS to a mentally unstable kid, or a gang member in the inner city and see if it's used to kill people.

I agree with ducimis though...I like shooting My K-98 and it can also be a fine hunting rifle when properly equipped (or in military configuration) but an Ak, M-16 or ANY type of pistol have one job: killing people. I think these guns should be harder to get.

The US has 65% of its murders with firearms.Only Colombia and Uruguay have a higher ratio of guns murders/murders with about 80% and 75% of it's murders by guns

SteamWake · 06-28-10, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

Isn't this a repeat of "How graciouse of them"?

No it is not. That thread is about how nearly half the judges disagree with the constitution.

Oh and GR I'm not sure I would have made this experiment public in as much you put the public in reckless endangerment by not having direct supervision of the un attended firearms....

gimpy117 · 06-29-10, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Oh and GR I'm not sure I would have made this experiment public in as much you put the public in reckless endangerment by not having direct supervision of the un attended firearms....

totally agree...I shoot often and the first rule is gun safety, 100% of the time. and leaving a loaded gun unattended is something that should never be done.

cheese123 · 06-29-10, 12:53 AM

Here is the run down for all the anti-gun people out there. Sure you can ban guns. As a matter of fact I hope you never even touch one. When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family. The next time you see them is in the morgue. Criminals love anti-guns laws. That means they have the guns and you don't. They don't care if they break the law. They are criminals. Thats what they do.

Aramike · 06-29-10, 01:01 AM

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To waffle again, id love to own an M16-A1 or an A2, it would be nice to hold one in my hands again and squeeze off some rounds, and to waffle again, it's not a tool id like to see in the hands of some gang banger in Pomona , south central LA, or whatever.

So yeah, here i sit on the fence.

You're not waffliing ... you're ignoring your instinct.

Do you really think that a law banning a murderous gangbanger from owning a gun is going to stop him?

I doubt you do.

It's just like telling the burglar that invading people's homes is illegal. Hmmm...

FIREWALL · 06-29-10, 02:38 AM

Are some of you that stoopid to think GR really left two loaded weapons on his back porch.

I think he was giving an example. I know he's not that stoopid.

06-29-10, 04:00 AM

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When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family

I never thought of that, good point. If someone ever steals my car with my kids inside I can shoot at the car with my kids inside it.

I wonder if you think?

06-28-10, 08:07 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Gun Violence and the outlawing of firearms in America I ran a test some years ago, with a couple of my personal firearms. One was an AR-15, the other an SKS. I loaded both and put them on the back porch of my rural home under the watchful eye of a DVR video camera. For one week, the firearms sat there on the back porch, fully loaded... seven days. During those seven days, neither gun ever attempted to kill anyone. they both lay there, behaving in a peaceful manner, never acting in aggression or making any movement whatsoever. however... in that same seven day period, 18 people were arrested for DUI, 3 for reckless driving, 1 for endangerment of a child, 4 for methamphetamine possession, 15 for shoplifting and 1 for domestic abuse. personally, it makes more sense to outlaw idiots than it does guns. __________________

06-28-10, 08:15 PM	#3
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Glad you live in a safe neighborhood where nobody will dare steal those weapons to use them for robberies and such. BTW I dont know of the legality of what you did. Some states have laws requiring safe storage when large weapons are not in use. I dont get the crying anyway. The supreme court has ruled TIME after TIME against gun laws. __________________

06-28-10, 09:33 PM	#7
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	I'm kind of on the fence about gun control, but also an avid shooter and gun lover. I really don't think that blanket laws keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands, but I'd be interested to see a solution that actually works for everyone. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

06-28-10, 09:39 PM	#9
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	oh what a comprehensive test you've done!!! that really proves a lot!! how silly we all are! yeah well how about you give a fully loaded SKS to a mentally unstable kid, or a gang member in the inner city and see if it's used to kill people. I agree with ducimis though...I like shooting My K-98 and it can also be a fine hunting rifle when properly equipped (or in military configuration) but an Ak, M-16 or ANY type of pistol have one job: killing people. I think these guns should be harder to get. The US has 65% of its murders with firearms.Only Colombia and Uruguay have a higher ratio of guns murders/murders with about 80% and 75% of it's murders by guns __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army Last edited by gimpy117; 06-28-10 at 10:13 PM.

06-29-10, 02:38 AM	#14
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Are some of you that stoopid to think GR really left two loaded weapons on his back porch. I think he was giving an example. I know he's not that stoopid. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ??? Last edited by FIREWALL; 06-29-10 at 04:33 AM.

06-28-10, 08:18 PM	#4
breadcatcher101 Captain Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 546 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	What kind of SKS? I have a Yugo. Nice carbines, fun to shoot.

06-28-10, 08:36 PM	#5
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Gov'ment 'gonn take our religion and our guns...

06-28-10, 08:52 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I've always sat on the fence where gun control is concerned. On one hand their just a tool like any another. A skill saw, table saw, hammer drill, powder actuated, whatever. Like any tool it's designed to do a specific job. And Tools typically don't go off by themselves, someone has to use them. On the other hand, some tools are designed to do a job that you probably aren't going to be doing as a civilian, at least not lawfully (exception here being castle laws). To waffle again, id love to own an M16-A1 or an A2, it would be nice to hold one in my hands again and squeeze off some rounds, and to waffle again, it's not a tool id like to see in the hands of some gang banger in Pomona , south central LA, or whatever. So yeah, here i sit on the fence.

06-28-10, 09:33 PM	#8
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Isn't this a repeat of "How graciouse of them"?

06-29-10, 12:53 AM	#12
cheese123 Gunner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: on some striat Posts: 96 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Here is the run down for all the anti-gun people out there. Sure you can ban guns. As a matter of fact I hope you never even touch one. When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family. The next time you see them is in the morgue. Criminals love anti-guns laws. That means they have the guns and you don't. They don't care if they break the law. They are criminals. Thats what they do.