Oh by the way Obama Care still Unconstitutional.

[yubba]

Was listening to Mark Levin sounds like a major win for us, the judge POed, sounds like judge rammed ruling down Obamas throat I only can wonder how he like that, want a glass of water to go with that. Liberal media down playing this.

[Lord_magerius]

Oh god... what have you done!

[CCIP]

Oh by the way we still have too many threads about Obama in GT

[Bubblehead1980]

I like the ruling, it forces Obama's hand so can stop stalling the case like the coward that he is.

[gimpy117]

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...publican_idea/

wait for irony to set in.

[tater]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...publican_idea/

wait for irony to set in.

Which is why Romney is a non-starter as a candidate.

The mandate was always wrong, even in taxachuesetts. Someone here who is a lawyer might be able to comment on if there is a difference between a Federal mandate, and a State one, though. It might well be legal on a State level, even if it is clearly wrong-headed to allow the state to compel citizens to engage in some arbitrary economic activity.

[gimpy117]

But it's older than Mitt Romney even tater...don't spin this by making him a scape goat. The idea had been touted as an alternative to Bill and Hillary's failed reform in 1990, and when there was a paper published in 1991 about the subject it was well received by bush senior.

and yes the mandate IS wrong...but the republicans let it be in the bill after they "compromised" and watered down the bill. If i had to guess they also had a hand in getting that little gem i there. The only reason they have been "rejecting" the bill is because it's good politics and they are banking on the fact that nobody will remember that many of them were all for what this bill proposes 10 years ago.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

oh by the way, the mandate part began as a republican idea.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/ar...publican_idea/

wait for irony to set in.

Old news gimp, was a terrible, unconstitutional idea then and remains one today.Never got much pess because it was never actually put into law, just a stupid idea someone came up with.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Old news gimp, was a terrible, unconstitutional idea then and remains one today.Never got much pess because it was never actually put into law, just a stupid idea someone came up with.

Mitt put it into law in his state. I just threw that in there to show that all this finger pointing at obama is pretty hypocritical and ironic.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by tater

Which is why Romney is a non-starter as a candidate.

The mandate was always wrong, even in taxachuesetts. Someone here who is a lawyer might be able to comment on if there is a difference between a Federal mandate, and a State one, though. It might well be legal on a State level, even if it is clearly wrong-headed to allow the state to compel citizens to engage in some arbitrary economic activity.

Not a lawyer yet Tater, however I am finishing up my first year of Law School.A state mandate such as the one in Mass is constitutional, but a Federal mandate is not.Simply put, the state's can do things the Fed government can not, which is the reason a state can require you to purchase car insurance if you have a vehicle registered in your name and if you do not, they can cancel your registration and/or suspend your license.The Fed's have no such power and anyone who simply reads the constitution while putting their political views aside can see this.Those who claim the Fed's do are stretching the commerce clause in what I can only see as an intellecutally dishonest manner to fit their agenda.Claiming that the Federal government has the power under the commerce clause to tax/fine someone who does not engage in commerce, ie purchase a service(health insurance) is rather outlandish.

I honestly lost what little respect I had for Obama when he allowed this to stand because for all things that he is, he is not a complete dumb arse, he taught con law(which is scary) and he knows the constitution, but he wanted that health care bill so bad, so he disregarded the constitution for suit his political agenda, which is just sad.

[mookiemookie]

I like potatoes.

[Lord_magerius]

Mookie wins! I think this means this thread has ended, seeing as it's the same as almost every other thread on the first two pages of GT.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Mitt put it into law in his state. I just threw that in there to show that all this finger pointing at obama is pretty hypocritical and ironic.

Like it or not, it is constitutional when a STATE does it, states have far more powers in this area than the Fed government does.I explain in the post below how the states have power to force you purchase car insurance etc

My personal opinion aside, which is against the mandate, it is unconstitutional if the Feds do it, but if the states do so, mandate passes muste,r so not hypocritical to go after Obama for signing it.Romney will not get the nom because of the health care unless he comes out and says "I was wrong to do so" which he will not, which is okay because he is not a conservative.

[tater]

Whose fault in inventing it was doesn't matter. The current version is 100% democratic.

The base idea was to try to set up a system that would disallow rate increases (or no coverage) for preexisting conditions. The only way to do this is to grossly increase the pool paying premiums since forcing the already sick to pay grossly more is the only sensible solution.

It was misguided from the start, but all the pols want to look like they care about someone being forced to pay more. The reality is that few have the balls to simply say that that's the way it should be. Tough medicine, but there you go.

The whole COBRA crap is also crap.

Better to go with:

1. Tort reform.

2. Remove limits on insurance over state lines (this fosters national competition, and would be HUGE compared to the 50 sets of rules we have now (more with Guam, PR, etc, lol).

3. Dump government support and pressure for employer-provided insurance. COBRA never should have been needed, people should pick their own insurance, the employer should have nothing to do with it.

4. Let the insurance companies charge what they want for whatever set of benis they want. More for sick people, more for fat people, whatever. Combined with national competition, this would be huge.

5. Let any citizen sign up for any plan that anyone in their employ has. Meaning that any American could join any plan used by any Federal employee (cept VA, obviously). Ditto is state employees have plans, they work for US, we should get whatever they have if we can pay the same premium.

(BTW, there was a bill sponsored by a dem and rep early in the Obama admin that did most all of the above—it was DOA by the dem leadership.)

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I like potatoes.

Would you like fries with that?