Well... they did it

[GoldenRivet]

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/07/house-passes-historic-health-care-bill-long-road-ahead-for-ref/?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politic sdaily.com%2F2009%2F11%2F07%2Fhouse-passes-historic-health-care-bill-long-road-ahead-for-ref%2F

I only hope that this EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE BILL is as successful as the messiah says it will be. i really do...

but i'm not optimistic... and i foresee ghetto like conditions throughout hospitals and clinics in the coming years.

the field of medicine will no longer be a profitable and desirable industry for people to enter as hospital costs rise and profits fall... so shall salaries.

I dont know how you get $1.3 TRILLION from taxing only those individuals that earn over 500K per year... if you ask me... we are all going to have to take a bite of this massive sh*t sandwich.

one last chance to stop it :-\ perhaps? Senate...

[Task Force]

Hmm, what kind of s*** is on this s*** sandwich...

[GoldenRivet]

gooey yellow baby diarrhea.

[Task Force]

Hmm... wonder if its anything like mustard....

[GoldenRivet]

Well you have to consider that every one of these government programs

medicare medicaid social security etc etc

they are BROKE, BANKRUPT... KAPUT.

now this???

why why why does each generation continue to let these morons burden the later generations with failing federal programs???

[CaptainHaplo]

Its not a done deal by any means. The senate has to pass a version, then both sides have to REVOTE on the "committe" bill that is the merger of the two. There are substantial differences between the two proposals.

On top of it, even if it breezes by (and don't count on that), it doesn't go into effect immediately. 2010 could very likely see the entire thing flipped on its head depending on the makeup of congress at that time.

The democrats have also seriously miscalculated or overlooked one major point that could invalidate the entire bill on the inevitable court challenge. While there are many, the house bill has a specific clause that will cause them no end of heartache due to its unconstitutionality. The bill does something never done, as a mandate from the government to the citizenry which go well beyond its role in the constitution.

I don't see this being corrected in committee either. The battle is NOT over, it fact, its just heating up.

[GoldenRivet]

all valid points.

I just cant believe im witnessing it.

How dare they tell me what i have to do with my medical care... thats between me and my doctor

[nikimcbee]

it's up to the senate now. I think these guys see the writing on the wall. They've got to pass all of their wacky stuff now before they get run outta office in 2010.

We are all going to die!!!

The death panels are going to order you to your death!!!

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Rilder

We are all going to die!!!

The death panels are going to order you to your death!!!

Not necessarily. Yet, if you don't buy a health plan, as mandated by the government, you can be imprisoned and fined. It's in the bill. Love that "Hope" and "change" thing. In addition, if you are under 25 years old, your premiums are likely going to double. Ain't that sweet? Those who are under 25 are going to subsidize and pay for people over 55 years old, and go bankrupt in the process. We're talking 1.22 Trillion so far, and we know that's bogus. It will be much higher at the end of it all. The joke is on any Democrat 25 years or younger. You screwed yourself over. And you thought Democrats were going to "give" you "quality" healthcare at low cost.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10933

I guess some people want to live in a nation where government forces you to buy goods and services you may not want with the threats of fines and imprisonments. In addition give you deficits out to infinity. What is it about freedom and personal liberty that Democrats can't seem to handle? The one thing we know for sure, Democrats have a particular disdain for personal liberty and responsibility. They also seem to find the concept of "Representative Government" not to their liking as well. Forcing this healthcare bill down the throats of an unwilling people of this nation (who don't want it) on the dark hours of a weekend is living proof of that. 54% of this nation don't want this crap.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Not necessarily. Yet, if you don't buy a health plan, as mandated by the government, you can be imprisoned and fined.

Would this be Congressman Bachus version (if I remember my crooked politicians correctly)? I believe he proposed to fine individuals and families that didn't obtain health insurance.

[mookiemookie]

This bill is nothing but a bailout for the insurance companies disguised as reform. The only really good thing in it is the mandate to cover pre-existing conditions. The "public option" in this one is weakened in a stupid concession to people who would have never voted yes on this anyways.

The insurance companies are the only winners here.

[baggygreen]

I'm surprised you're not more concerned about the democrats passing the cap and trade in the committee, without any of the republicans present?

[Platapus]

I won't opine on it until I have read it. However I am not looking forward to 1900 pages of governmenteze.

[Platapus]

And, of course, it is important to note that this is just the House version, the Senate will have their version and the two will need to be combined and voted upon.

Miles to go before we sleep.