Just to get this straight..

Torvald Von Mansee · 05-12-10, 11:22 PM

You ALWAYS have to prestige pay for your new boat when upgrading? You are never "comped" one due to your extraordinary heroism and tonnage total?

HW3 · 05-13-10, 02:00 AM

Jimbuna · 05-13-10, 04:39 AM

I believe many players up they're DeltaRenown to the cost of the new boat to give the impression the Kaleun was issued a new command as later sub types came off the stocks.

PappyCain · 05-13-10, 05:41 AM

Quite frankly I would prefer if the sim upgraded my boat (as if it came as a directive from Bdu) based on performance parameters especially in the campaign mode. I do not understand "paying" for it as it to me is an immersion or historical skew as no one had the option to "buy" into a new boat with selectable "options" like a car. Seems silly or arcade like. But hey, that is my opinion. Still the best sim out there! Renown actually refers to earned recognition (points) for job well done not "money" to buy stuff.

desirableroasted · 05-13-10, 07:25 AM

The renown system would work well if you didn't pay renown points... the idea of getting a new boat but being busted back down a pay grade is absurd.

But I use SH3 Commander, and tweak the .cfg files to ensure a boat costs nothing. However, I do not take a new boat until I have been promoted, received medals, and reached a certain renown.

fw66 · 05-13-10, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GalaKev

I actually think that the renown system to gain new boats would be great, if there was one tweak to the cost of each boat.

As boats start coming of the production line, it is sensible that higher ranking captains would gain the first boats. However as more roll out, lower ranking captains would gain the upgrade.

How I would like to see this happening is a reducing cost of each boat as time goes by.

Something like this, based on month of launch: (assumption of 2,500 renown needed)
Month 1-3 - 2,500
Month 4-6 - 2,000
Month 7-9 - 1,500

and so on, until there is only a renown of 500.

This would simulate more boats becoming avaliable to lower ranked players. I would go as far and say this would work on all upgrades and not just on new boats.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I thought that this does happen in the game, but only on a yearly basis (though only with boats, not the other upgrades)

Zedwardson · 05-13-10, 08:09 AM

The way I look at renown is that it is "political capital"

Lets say I am a Ace II-A captain in the 1st, and I want to upgrade to a VII, the cost of renown is that I call in favors and some of my shine to get a new boat, BdU expects me to keep up the good work or improve my totals. The equipment is basicly me calling in favors, "quartermaster, My new VII needs a 105 deck gun, (as am in the office wearing my Iron Cross with oaks) will get me the gun, but I can only pull that off so many times before it just doesn't work.

sharkbit · 05-14-10, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Zedwardson

The way I look at renown is that it is "political capital"

Lets say I am a Ace II-A captain in the 1st, and I want to upgrade to a VII, the cost of renown is that I call in favors and some of my shine to get a new boat, BdU expects me to keep up the good work or improve my totals. The equipment is basicly me calling in favors, "quartermaster, My new VII needs a 105 deck gun, (as am in the office wearing my Iron Cross with oaks) will get me the gun, but I can only pull that off so many times before it just doesn't work.

I generally look at renown that way as well. It's not "money".

From Webster's:

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Main Entry: 1re·nown
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈnau̇n\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English renoun, from Anglo-French renum, renoun, from renomer to report, speak of, from re- + nomer to name, from Latin nominare, from nomin-, nomen name — more at name
Date: 14th century
1 : a state of being widely acclaimed and highly honored : fame

So far, I've never used to upgrade to a new boat type, I've used it more to upgrade weapons and such.

I seem to recall Herbert Werner in "Iron Coffins" searching for and trying to beg, borrow, or steal a schnorkel for his boat. (Ducks and runs for cover at mention of "Iron Coffins"-

)
I guess he didn't have enough "renown" at the time.

Zedwardson · 05-14-10, 08:56 AM

Just curious, is "Iron Coffins" thought of as a bad book?

Sailor Steve · 05-14-10, 08:58 AM

No, it's regarded as a very good book. It does, however, contain quite a few 'exaggerations' by the author. Doesn't make it a bad read, just bad history.

timmy41 · 05-14-10, 09:09 AM

Renown, from my understanding, is simply a point system to somewhat simulate that the better you do, the more toys you can use. We all know that such is not true in real life, as if they had 20 XXIs available, they wouldnt just send out 5 of them because only 5 captains were prestigious enough to captain one. I think that if you want to play the game in a realistic manner, then you should edit the game so you get a rediculous amount of renown, and youll be able to freely loadout a submarine as it would have been historically.

lafeeverted · 05-14-10, 09:18 AM

What file would I have to edit and how?

Zedwardson · 05-14-10, 09:20 AM

I just give myself points for getting to my patrol area, and since I have done that it GWX, when I am ready for a new sub, generally I have the points to fit it out. Right now my main guy is at 2000 and change, and after the move the france, will be buying a IX, and he should have enough points to buy one and fit it out.

Of course, it is kinda funny that everyone thinks that since a new boat came out, that there players should be the first users, even if many commanders where using VIIs deep in the war till they where put on the bottom.

(Of course, the main point is to have fun, and by god, when the XXI comes out, I am going to get a pimped out one...)

To edit you some renown, make sure your guy is in port, ready to go out, and go to the save folder, and there is a DeltaRenown in one of the config files, and give you the points you want.

flag4 · 05-14-10, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Zedwardson

Just curious, is "Iron Coffins" thought of as a bad book?

from the authors own introduction:

"my account of the u boat struggle was written with the aid of notes i took during the war, along with photographs and letters..."

"though i relied heavily on memory..."

+ i think he wrote it over the twenty years after the war. as Sailor Steve says it is - in parts bad history, but a very good read and i think it will remain a classic.

lafeeverted · 05-14-10, 09:43 AM

I am re-reading it now

I do not see a delta renown folder/file? In my career save file there is a line that is renown=500.000. Is that the line to change?

05-12-10, 11:22 PM	#1
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Just to get this straight.. You ALWAYS have to prestige pay for your new boat when upgrading? You are never "comped" one due to your extraordinary heroism and tonnage total? __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

05-13-10, 02:00 AM	#2
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05-13-10, 04:39 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I believe many players up they're DeltaRenown to the cost of the new boat to give the impression the Kaleun was issued a new command as later sub types came off the stocks. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-13-10, 05:41 AM	#4
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Quite frankly I would prefer if the sim upgraded my boat (as if it came as a directive from Bdu) based on performance parameters especially in the campaign mode. I do not understand "paying" for it as it to me is an immersion or historical skew as no one had the option to "buy" into a new boat with selectable "options" like a car. Seems silly or arcade like. But hey, that is my opinion. Still the best sim out there! Renown actually refers to earned recognition (points) for job well done not "money" to buy stuff. __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

05-13-10, 07:25 AM	#5
desirableroasted Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the mountains, now. On the edge of the sea before. Posts: 933 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	The renown system would work well if you didn't pay renown points... the idea of getting a new boat but being busted back down a pay grade is absurd. But I use SH3 Commander, and tweak the .cfg files to ensure a boat costs nothing. However, I do not take a new boat until I have been promoted, received medals, and reached a certain renown. __________________ "Well, now, that's true... the IXC is a bit of a chick magnet..but you really can't beat the VIIB for off-road fun."

05-13-10, 08:09 AM	#7
Zedwardson Sparky Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 154 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The way I look at renown is that it is "political capital" Lets say I am a Ace II-A captain in the 1st, and I want to upgrade to a VII, the cost of renown is that I call in favors and some of my shine to get a new boat, BdU expects me to keep up the good work or improve my totals. The equipment is basicly me calling in favors, "quartermaster, My new VII needs a 105 deck gun, (as am in the office wearing my Iron Cross with oaks) will get me the gun, but I can only pull that off so many times before it just doesn't work.

05-14-10, 08:56 AM	#9
Zedwardson Sparky Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 154 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Just curious, is "Iron Coffins" thought of as a bad book?

05-14-10, 08:58 AM	#10
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	No, it's regarded as a very good book. It does, however, contain quite a few 'exaggerations' by the author. Doesn't make it a bad read, just bad history. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-14-10, 09:09 AM	#11
timmy41 Weps Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 367 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Renown, from my understanding, is simply a point system to somewhat simulate that the better you do, the more toys you can use. We all know that such is not true in real life, as if they had 20 XXIs available, they wouldnt just send out 5 of them because only 5 captains were prestigious enough to captain one. I think that if you want to play the game in a realistic manner, then you should edit the game so you get a rediculous amount of renown, and youll be able to freely loadout a submarine as it would have been historically.

05-14-10, 09:18 AM	#12
lafeeverted Chief Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 329 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	What file would I have to edit and how?

05-14-10, 09:20 AM	#13
Zedwardson Sparky Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 154 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I just give myself points for getting to my patrol area, and since I have done that it GWX, when I am ready for a new sub, generally I have the points to fit it out. Right now my main guy is at 2000 and change, and after the move the france, will be buying a IX, and he should have enough points to buy one and fit it out. Of course, it is kinda funny that everyone thinks that since a new boat came out, that there players should be the first users, even if many commanders where using VIIs deep in the war till they where put on the bottom. (Of course, the main point is to have fun, and by god, when the XXI comes out, I am going to get a pimped out one...) To edit you some renown, make sure your guy is in port, ready to go out, and go to the save folder, and there is a DeltaRenown in one of the config files, and give you the points you want.

05-14-10, 09:43 AM	#15
lafeeverted Chief Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 329 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I am re-reading it now I do not see a delta renown folder/file? In my career save file there is a line that is renown=500.000. Is that the line to change? Last edited by lafeeverted; 05-14-10 at 09:57 AM.