Arizona becoming more Texasy than Texas?

Freiwillige · 04-08-10, 07:32 PM

Arizona law makers just stepped once step closer to making concealed firearms legal without a permit. I'm pro gun, pro liberty but I'm not sure how I feel on this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_concealed_weapons_arizona

tater · 04-08-10, 07:43 PM

Legal gun owners aren't going to shoot anyone (other than bad guys) regardless of the CCW status. Criminal will carry concealed regardless of the law, AND kill people.

Doesn't matter, IMO.

Freiwillige · 04-08-10, 07:50 PM

While I agree with you completely on that point Tater the Issue I have is one of gun safety. Getting your CCW means training and gun safety before you are let loose on society.

Many first time gun owners are a bit naive and do not realize the basics of gun safety and gun laws.

Now if you are the average gun owner your gun is at home rarely touched unless your going to the range but now many will be tempted to carry without intimate knowledge of the weapon they poses.

I field strip and clean my firearms once a month even if I have not fired them just to keep all the features in familiarity and make sure its in perfect working order.

Platapus · 04-08-10, 08:03 PM

I kinda want some sort of educational requirement. Most civilians really don't understand the laws concerning self defense.

I think the way Virginia does it works best. Virginia is a "shall issue" state when it comes to CWP. But Virginia does have an educational (barely) requirement.

I am sure the Virginia police appreciate knowing who may be carrying when they roll on a call.

Now if only Virginia can only get rid of the bar/restaurant exclusion

Torvald Von Mansee · 04-08-10, 09:00 PM

I wish MD allowed concealed weapons permits. You can theoretically get a permit, they just won't give you one. So, only the criminals get to carry concealed weapons. Yep, real smart, that.

Bubblehead1980 · 04-08-10, 10:59 PM

I like it, after they complete a gun safety course

Bubblehead1980 · 04-08-10, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

I wish MD allowed concealed weapons permits. You can theoretically get a permit, they just won't give you one. So, only the criminals get to carry concealed weapons. Yep, real smart, that.

Liberals and their Anti-Gun agenda are the reason for that.I always laugh when people from up north move here(Florida) and are amazed at the gun laws here.

August · 04-08-10, 11:27 PM

Massachusetts requires a gun safety course just to possess a firearm, let alone carry concealed. What kind of pisses me off about it is even though I'm former military and have owned firearms for a third of a century, and had not only a pistol permit but a Machinegun license the last time I lived in this state I still have to fork over nearly $200 bucks just for the privilege of exercising my constitutional right.

04-09-10, 02:24 AM

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Now if only Virginia can only get rid of the bar/restaurant exclusion

Guns and alcohol don't mix.

Bubblehead1980 · 04-09-10, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Guns and alcohol don't mix.

Wow, we actually agree on something, for the most part

Admiral8Q · 04-09-10, 04:55 AM

The Feds in Canada are taking away every man's right to own a firearm. That will leave only the criminals with them they don't obey the law, oi!

antikristuseke · 04-09-10, 08:44 AM

I am not against firearm ownership, but think that to own one a person should pass some training course to make sure they understand basic safety protocols. That being said, I am qualified to handle machine guns and assault rifles in the Estonian Defense Forces so if I choose to own a handgun it is merely a formality for me.

Rebel · 04-09-10, 09:49 AM

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Torvald Von Mansee · 04-09-10, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Liberals and their Anti-Gun agenda are the reason for that.I always laugh when people from up north move here(Florida) and are amazed at the gun laws here.

Sigh...give it a rest, dude. I'm a liberal (sort of), but if there are going to be firearms in circulation, I want to be able to legally carry one.

CCIP · 04-09-10, 10:16 AM

I used to be kind of anti-gun-ownership. Then I went to Florida to visit a friend, and he took me to a gun store, where he bought a gun (far from his first) right then and there, and took me firing range, where we shot for a while and met folks who brought their guns along. You know, while I'm still cautious and I think competence and safety in gun ownership needs to be enforced - honestly, I found the whole culture of gun-owning remarkably civil and super-safe when I actually encountered it in real life. Anything but the gun-crazed yahoos that critics often seem to portray gun-nuts as - but rather competent and safety-minded people. That was actually one of my most positive experiences of the US so far.

[edit] There even exists a video of a certain hairy russian/canadian trying his hand at a CZ-75 for the first time. Man, that's some good memories - even if I was a really terrible shot. Here's where taking a training course would've probably come in quite handy

04-08-10, 07:32 PM	#1
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Arizona becoming more Texasy than Texas? Arizona law makers just stepped once step closer to making concealed firearms legal without a permit. I'm pro gun, pro liberty but I'm not sure how I feel on this. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_concealed_weapons_arizona

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I kinda want some sort of educational requirement. Most civilians really don't understand the laws concerning self defense. I think the way Virginia does it works best. Virginia is a "shall issue" state when it comes to CWP. But Virginia does have an educational (barely) requirement. I am sure the Virginia police appreciate knowing who may be carrying when they roll on a call. Now if only Virginia can only get rid of the bar/restaurant exclusion __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I wish MD allowed concealed weapons permits. You can theoretically get a permit, they just won't give you one. So, only the criminals get to carry concealed weapons. Yep, real smart, that. __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Massachusetts requires a gun safety course just to possess a firearm, let alone carry concealed. What kind of pisses me off about it is even though I'm former military and have owned firearms for a third of a century, and had not only a pistol permit but a Machinegun license the last time I lived in this state I still have to fork over nearly $200 bucks just for the privilege of exercising my constitutional right. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Admiral8Q Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada Posts: 1,077 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	The Feds in Canada are taking away every man's right to own a firearm. That will leave only the criminals with them they don't obey the law, oi! __________________

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Legal gun owners aren't going to shoot anyone (other than bad guys) regardless of the CCW status. Criminal will carry concealed regardless of the law, AND kill people. Doesn't matter, IMO.

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Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	While I agree with you completely on that point Tater the Issue I have is one of gun safety. Getting your CCW means training and gun safety before you are let loose on society. Many first time gun owners are a bit naive and do not realize the basics of gun safety and gun laws. Now if you are the average gun owner your gun is at home rarely touched unless your going to the range but now many will be tempted to carry without intimate knowledge of the weapon they poses. I field strip and clean my firearms once a month even if I have not fired them just to keep all the features in familiarity and make sure its in perfect working order.

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Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,099 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	I like it, after they complete a gun safety course

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antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I am not against firearm ownership, but think that to own one a person should pass some training course to make sure they understand basic safety protocols. That being said, I am qualified to handle machine guns and assault rifles in the Estonian Defense Forces so if I choose to own a handgun it is merely a formality for me.

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Rebel Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 126 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	It,s people =that are nuts= man who are not MOST MAN KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT=THINK + OTHERS =DRIVE YOUR CAR AT 5 PM .I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE . I DO WHAT IS RIGHT .THE POWER TO DO IS IN EACH MAN =THE LIGHT OF KNOWING. JUST FOR TODAY , LETS TRY NOT KILLING EACH OTHER __________________

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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I used to be kind of anti-gun-ownership. Then I went to Florida to visit a friend, and he took me to a gun store, where he bought a gun (far from his first) right then and there, and took me firing range, where we shot for a while and met folks who brought their guns along. You know, while I'm still cautious and I think competence and safety in gun ownership needs to be enforced - honestly, I found the whole culture of gun-owning remarkably civil and super-safe when I actually encountered it in real life. Anything but the gun-crazed yahoos that critics often seem to portray gun-nuts as - but rather competent and safety-minded people. That was actually one of my most positive experiences of the US so far. [edit] There even exists a video of a certain hairy russian/canadian trying his hand at a CZ-75 for the first time. Man, that's some good memories - even if I was a really terrible shot. Here's where taking a training course would've probably come in quite handy __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart) Last edited by CCIP; 04-09-10 at 10:37 AM.